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Monday, Jan 23, 2012, at 09:50 AM
Comparison By The MRM - Mormon Apostles No Longer Are Special Witnesses Of Jesus Christ - Now Only Witnesses Of THE NAME Of Jesus Christ
Original Author(s): Fetal Deity
CHANGING DOCTRINE   -Guid-
The Gospel Principles manual (chapter 14) used to say:

"An Apostle is a special witness of Jesus Christ in all the world ..."

and now says:

"An Apostle is a special witness OF THE NAME of Jesus Christ in all the world ...." (Emphasis added.)

Another example is found in chapter 17:

"Twelve Apostles, who are special witnesses of Jesus Christ, teach the gospel and regulate the affairs of the Church in all parts of the world..."

and now says:

"Twelve Apostles, who are special witnesses OF THE NAME of Jesus Christ, teach the gospel and regulate the affairs of the Church in all parts of the world...." (Emphasis added.)

http://www.mrm.org/gospel-principles
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Friday, Jan 20, 2012, at 01:59 PM
Does The Stock Broker Get The Blessings?
Original Author(s): NormaRae
TITHING - SECTION 2   -Guid-
I worked for about 6 months for an insurance company/securities firm in Provo area in the late 90s. The guy who owned the firm was a high-up mormon and virtually all our clients were TBMs. There were quite a few clients who only paid tithing once a year, in December and paid with stock. That way they avoided the capital gains.

So they'd call Elder Penishood and give him the number that their accountant had figured they'd need to pay to cover their 10% for the year and my boss would decide what to pay with and take care of it. So tithing for these people was a simple once-a-year business transaction and they didn't even have to go to the trouble of filling out the form. The firm did more sacrificing to pay the tithing than they did (and I was the one doing all the administrative work). I thought I should have gotten the blessings.

But many of these people were bishops and higher and I'll guarantee they gave more than their share of talks about the blessings of tithing. Yes, they'd extol the virtues of "sacrificing" to pay tithing to people who had to choose between food or diapers or maybe even a roof over their heads and paying tithing. Just made me sick to even deal with them. It was when I was really questioning whether there was anything good in the church at all--just a couple years before I resigned. It certainly helped open my eyes.
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Thursday, Jan 19, 2012, at 08:38 AM
The Cure For Counsel-Itis
Original Author(s): runtu
LDS SOCIAL SERVICES   -Guid-
I don't have time to write anything up, but someone I know wrote this up, and it's rather depressing. He acknowledges his own self-interest in his assessment, but I am as concerned about this development as he is. The church is cutting costs, which I completely understand, but this seems like a very bad move. A few years ago, the Ensign reprinted President Packer's warning against "counsel-itis," or expecting lay bishops to serve as personal counselors. But now, in a complete about-face, bishops are being asked to perform that very function, albeit with a "hotline" and some phone apps. And the church is now discouraging financial assistance for counseling.
I work in [western city] as a family therapist, and historically have received the brunt of my clients from LDS family services (LDSFS). Over a year ago, the LDSFS here began a pilot program for the church where all in-house therapists were gradually let go, and all counseling was done by referring out to community counselors. As such, the church could eliminate the costs of maintaining family services (except adoption services, which will stay intact). However, under new direction, the Welfare Program is now attempting to serve globally, instead of only (for the most part) in North America; with family services, anyway. To accomplish this, a new system is being put in to play, and all of the [western city] area therapists who are on the referral list for LDSFS were called in to a meeting to learn about this today.

We were instructed by the director of family services who is now moving into a supervisory position over a large area of N. America states. The change is this: Bishops will now be instructed that they are to work on a local level to solve ward problems. This is to include that Bishops should find ways to solve members’ problems in lieu of referring them to therapy. This is not to say that counseling should never be recommended, but other solutions should be attempted by bishops FIRST. Previously, training about how to assist ward members was occasionally provided for area bishops, but that will cease to occur. A 24-hour hotline will exist for Bishops to call and receive suggestions to try with their ward members’ issues, instead. As well, it is expected that they will be able to receive text messages with suggested helps, and that there will be phone apps developed; i.e. an app for how to assist a member with a “porn problem”. But the clear and basic pressure (instruction) is for Bishops to solve the problem,and try to avoid sending them to counseling. As well, we were informed that Bishops are being strongly discouraged from financially supporting therapy for their ward members as they have in the past. How that will shake out on an individual basis, is to be left to the Bishop to decide.

Naturally, this will mean less referrals for therapists, and that’s not good news for a room full of counselors; so let me concede the bias that suggests, right now. But I think it’s a poor move for greater reasons than just “it gives me less clients”; there were/are understandable concerns about the burden this places on a Bishop. In my limited experience (essentially a case study of one – me) of 8 years in practice, I’ve had multiple Bishops, multiple times request counseling assistance because they literally didn’t have time to even visit with all the ward members that wanted appointments. This could put sensitive-personality Bishops in the grave, and make dismissive asses out of the more Type-A leaders. In other words, I find it scary. Undeniably, It is financially genius on the part of the church, and while I don’t know if this will be different in a fairly LDS saturated place like Utah, I would also say it does place the world as a whole at an equal level; sort of like “if everybody doesn’t get LDSFS, then nobody does”. Also, essentially forcing Bishops to become capable of helping people better (albeit without any training) isn’t a bad thing. Ultimately, however, I would guess that this will mean better services and assistance for ward members who only need ecclesiastical counsel, and much greater harm done to those who really are in need of professional services.

So I’m trying to say there are obvious positives to this change in system. But my personal disgust came from the clearly stated reason for this change in the welfare system (and I quote): “We’re talking about a church that has infinite needs, and finite resources”. While that is objectively true, all I could think about was the multi-billion dollar mall. Ugh, and gross.

We were further informed that if we wanted to be beneficiaries of the much fewer referrals for counseling that would now be sent out from Bishops, we essentially needed to be buddies with the Bishops. It was made very clear that this could be accomplished by our finding a way to offer free consultation services and phone assistance for said Bishops in dealing with their ward members, so that they would want to use our services if needed for actual counseling. Again- financially brilliant on the part of the church, and rather common as a business model, I suppose. But it kind of feels gross.

I’ve been thinking about some of [other friend's] statements that the church could be better at using its professional and educated resources. I’m not sure if this qualifies as a move towards or fully away from that…?

In any case, there you go.
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Wednesday, Jan 18, 2012, at 08:08 AM
LDS Church Hints Opposition To Marriage Equality In Minnesota
Original Author(s): Affirmation
PROPOSITION 8   -Guid-
From Affirmation:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints read a letter to all Minnesota wards on Sunday, Jan. 15 reminding church-goers that “the family is the fundamental unit of society” and urged them to re-read the “Proclamation of the Family,” which begins, “We, the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, solemnly proclaim that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children.”

Church members were also asked to “prayerfully consider how to get involved,” according to a Minnesota Blogger.

The letter “concluded with a reminder that church buildings and directories are not to be used for political purposes – with this caveat: unless otherwise directed,” the article continued.
http://affirmation.org/news/2012_007....
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Monday, Jan 16, 2012, at 07:35 AM
Who Are The Lamanites?
Original Author(s): brade
LAMANITES - SECTION 1   -Guid-
From an official publication from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1974:



YOU native Americans who are called Indians - who are you? Where did you come from? Do you know that your ancestors were once a mighty nation upon the American continent?"
AND:
THE Book of Mormon is a history of your people. It is your book.






Those are not the Lamanites you're looking for. Move along.
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Monday, Jan 16, 2012, at 07:33 AM
Is Lehi The Father Of The Polynesians?
Original Author(s): Simon Southerton
LAMANITES - SECTION 1   -Guid-
Polynesians represent a sizeable and rapidly growing proportion of the Mormon Church in Australia. Of the nations with the highest proportion of Latter-day Saints, six of the top ten are located in Polynesia, including the top four: Tonga (32%), Samoa (25%), American Samoa (25%) and Niue (15%).

At the time I left the church in 1998, virtually all Polynesians I knew believed (or rather knew) they were descended from Lehi. This was because (1) numerous prophets told them they were (2) many had patriarchal blessings that told them they were and that they belonged to the tribe of Manasseh (Lehi's tribe) (3) God essentially told them via numerous temple dedicatory prayers and (4) CES teachers will have indoctrinated many with the belief in their youth.

Lehi's DNA has vanished in the Americas. Sadly, its the same story in the Pacific. Some may be interested in a short post on my blog that describes the real origins of the Polynesians.

http://simonsoutherton.blogspot.com/2...
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Monday, Jan 16, 2012, at 07:27 AM
"Gods Of Their Own Planets?" Massive Denial From Mormonvoices.com
Original Author(s): enoughenoch19
MORMON DOCTRINE   -Guid-
Last year FAIR (read Allen Wyatt, Daniel Peterson, et all) changed their website from "The Mormon Defense League" to "MormonVoices". Most likely as a response to Dallen Oaks cracking down them for being the pompous asses they are.

On January 5, 2012 the following was posted on the God/Man doctrine on MormonVoices:
"Gods of their own planets?

Posted on Jan 5, 2012

There is no Mormon doctrine that says we will become “gods of our own planets.” A search of LDS.org, which includes all of the church lesson manuals, all talks given in church conferences, and all magazines published by the LDS church shows that there are no instances—zero—where it is taught that we will be “gods of our own planets.”

Mormons, along with many other Christian denominations, believe in deification or theosis, based on the teaching that we can become heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ (Romans 8:17).

Little is known, though much might be speculated, about the specific details of our potential under this doctrine. Reducing it to ruling a planet caricatures a profound and complex belief.

The word “planet” makes Mormons seem more like sci-fi enthusiasts than devout Christians. Other Christians, who also believe in theosis or deification, are not ridiculed in this way.

This isn’t just a quibble about semantics. Claims that Mormons hope for their own planets almost always aim to disrespect and marginalize, not to understand or clarify."
Au Contraire.............

These are taken from MORMON DOCTRINES and/or written by Mormon GA or other bigwigs (seers and revelators): TBMs read carefully PLEASE...if you want to deny this, you should burn every copy of every book in the Morg lit.

“Having fought the good fight we then shall be prepared to lay our bodies down to rest to await the morning of the resurrection when they will come forth and be reunited with the spirits, the faithful, as it is said, receiving crowns, glory, immortality and eternal lives, even a fulness with the Father, when Jesus shall present His work to the Father, saying, ‘Father, here is the work thou gavest me to do.’ Then will they become Gods, even the sons of God; then will they become eternal fathers, eternal mothers, eternal sons and eternal daughters; being eternal in their organization they go from glory to glory, from power to power; they will never cease to increase and to multiply, worlds without end. When they receive their crowns, their dominions, they then will be prepared to frame earths like unto ours and to people them in the same manner as we have been brought forth by our parents, by our Father and God” (Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 283; Journal of Discourses 18:259, October 8, 1876). 4th President Wilford Woodruff

“There are a few individuals in this dispensation who will inherit celestial glory, and a few in other dispensations; but before they receive their exaltation they will have to pass through and submit to whatever dispensation God may decree. But for all this they will receive their reward-they will become Gods, they will inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities and powers through the endless ages of eternity, and to their increase there will be no end, and the heart of man has never conceived of the glory that is in store for the sons and daughters of God who keep the celestial law. (Wilford Woodruff, June 27, 1875, Journal of Discourses 18:39).

10th President Joseph Fielding Smith “Latter-day Saints believe in this progression in eternity until, eventually, we become worthy through knowledge, wisdom, humility, and obedience, to be like God, and then to have the privilege of being made equal in power, might and dominion (D&C. 76:95), and to possess all that the Father hath (D&C. 84:38) as members of ‘the Church of the First-born’” (10th LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., The Way to Perfection, p. 9).

12th President Spencer W. Kimball “Brethren, 225,000 of you are here tonight. I suppose 225,000 of you may become gods. There seems to be plenty of space out there in the universe. And the Lord has proved that he knows how to do it. I think he could make, or probably have us help make, worlds for all of us, for every one of us 225,000” (Spencer W. Kimball, “The Privilege of Holding the Priesthood,” Ensign (Conference Edition), November 1975, p. 80).

“Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility” (The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, p. 28. See also Doctrines of the Gospel Student Manual Religion 430 and 431, p. 52).

Apostles “If you have been pretty good people and have kept the com¬mandments of God as far as you understood them, and have done well in many respects, you may have the opportunity of becoming angels; but there is quite a difference between angels and those who have the privilege of endless increase, and of being crowned as kings and priests in the eternal worlds” (Orson Pratt, July 11, 1875, Journal of Discourses 18:50).

“In the Heaven where our spirits were born, there are many Gods, each one of whom has his own wife or wives which were given to him previous to his redemption, while yet in his mortal state. Each God, through his wife or wives, raises up a numerous family of sons and daughters; indeed, there will be no end to the increase of his own children: for each father and mother will be in a condition to multiply forever and ever. As soon as each God has begotten many millions of male and female spirits, and his Heavenly inheritance becomes too small, to comfortably accommodate his great family, he, in connection with his sons, organizes a new world, after a similar order to the one which we now inhabit, where he sends both the male and female spirits to inhabit tabernacles of flesh and bones. Thus each God forms a world for the accommodation of his own sons and daughters who are sent forth in their times and seasons, and generations to be born into the same. The inhabitants of each world are required to reverence, adore, and worship their own personal father who dwells in the Heaven which they formerly inhabited” (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 37).

“Man is to become a God. The difference between the human and the divine is a matter of education and development. Gods and men are of the same species, and it is just as reasonable that God’s children should attain to the fulness of His spiritual stature, as that man’s children should grow to the fulness of his physical stature. The Son of God thought it not robbery to be equal with God. Neither need we, His sons and daughters, think it robbery to aspire to that glorious plane where stand God our Father and Jesus Christ, our Elder Brother. He has made it possible for us all to come unto Him and be like Him. He laid down His life to bridge the chasm and enable us to cross it over” (Orson F. Whitney, Collected Discourses 4:132).

“…Mormonism be it true or false, holds out to men the greatest inducements that the human mind can grasp… It teaches men that they can become divine, that man is God in embryo, that God was once man in mortality, and that the only difference between Gods, angels and men is a difference in education and develop¬ment. Is such a religion to be sneered at? It teaches that the worlds on high, the stars that glitter in the blue vault of heaven, are kingdoms of God, that they were once earths like this, that they have Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did, and I will show it from the Bible” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-346. Italics in original. See also Gospel Principles, 1997, p. 305).

D&C 76:58 inhabitants of the CK become gods

D&C 132:17 those who do not abide the law [of celestial marriage] become angels, NOT gods

D&C 132:20, 37 those who receive exaltation are gods, and have no end

D&C 132:37 Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are gods, not angels