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Top Ten Reasons For Protecting Your Children From Mormonism
Raising Children As Mormons
Rights Of Parents Vs The Mormon Church's Policies, Especially In Regards To Private Interviews
Save the Children!
It's Official - Men Can No Longer Teach Primary Classes, For Fear Of Molesting Kids
Primary Brainwashing
The Church Is Separating Me From My Daughter
Systematic Indoctrination In Mormonism Starts Very Early. Here's An Example From The 2006 Primary 1 Manual, Used To Teach Children Who Are 18 Months To 3 Years Old
The Youth Activity That Tipped The Scales For My Teens
EFY - Memories From The Manipulation Camp
One Of The First Signs For Me The LDS Church Was Changing
Sunbeams On Up
I Did Not Want My Children To Be Raised With The Lies And Deceit Of Mormonism
Primary Presentation Makes Me Sad
Cold, Hard Proof That Mormonism Is A Cult
Growing Up NoMo In Utah
Young Women In Excellence
Being An LDS Father
Who Is That On Top Of The Temple??? Looking For The Best Real Answers
What To Do If Mormons Stalk Your Children
If I Am To Be A Good Dad
8 Years Old - Ready To Make Eternally Significant Decisions
Examples Of Scare Tactics And Guilt Trips On Kids
Why Is It That Such A "Family-Centered" Church Has No Little Playground For The Kids?
Do Parents Have A Right To Prevent Their Kids From Joining Or Participating In Mormonism?
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Indoctrination in Mormonism begins in early childhood. Mormon children are taught that they must obey all the commandments. They are taught that it may sometimes be difficult, but this life is a testing place. Temptations must be overcome, and a good Mormon will be able to overcome them. If you obey priesthood authority, attend church, study the scriptures, pay a full ten percent tithing, avoid people and places where you might find temptation, then you will be able to keep all the commandments. If you are not able to keep all the commandments, then it is because you have failed to protect yourself from temptation. You have done something wrong. You have allowed yourself to have a sinful thought. You have not prayed enough. You have not read the scriptures enough. You must repent and hope that you will not sin again.
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Top Ten Reasons For Protecting Your Children From Mormonism
Article Archived: Oct 17, 2005, at 08:11 AM
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The excellent 'propaganda push' thread includes a discussion on costs and benefits of membership. From time to time a thread here includes the statement "and that is why the church is dangerous" or words to that effect. I would love to gather these together in one place. Any suggestions?

My reason for asking is that DW expressed a willingness to discuss why I don't believe. This is a small window of opportunity, and I want to choose my words carefully. DW does not care about doctrinal or historical issues, but she does care about our children. Hence the working title, "top ten reasons for protecting your children from Mormonism."

Here is my initial list. I am sure others can do better.

10. Getting less than the best. We agree that we can find many WORSE lifestyles. But we can also do much BETTER for our children. Whatever the Church offers, we can duplicate it elsewhere without such high costs.

9. Friends. (This mainly applies outside Utah.) By making our children Mormons, we make it harder for them to make friends. (Note: it is EASIER to make quick friends in the church, but quick and easy is seldom best.) This applies even worse when it comes to marriage.

8. Childhood. When we make them sit for hours in church and worry about sin, we steal their childhood. And when we stop them experimenting with normal urges and normal friends, we steal their adolescence.

7. Time away from family or schoolwork. Early morning seminary, separate meetings, and endless church activities take our children away from schoolwork or away from the home.

6. Criticism. Some of the things we condemn them for, like moderate arguing, breaking the sabbath or speaking like their peer group, may actually be healthy as a step in growing up. A related issue is self-criticism. For many people, righteousness is a constant internal struggle. Yet most of the things they battle about (like avoiding sexual thoughts or friends who swear) make them unhappy with no obvious benefit.

5. Morality. The church is always morally behind: racism, sexism, homophobia, etc.

4. Danger of emotional catastrophe. What happens in many years time when they study church history and find out that it is all a fraud? That can destroy their life.

3. and 2. - something about particular dangers. Not sure what to put here.

1. The church is not true. (DNA, Book of Abraham, Fanny Alger, etc., it is easy to prove.) I have tried to avoid historical and doctrinal argument, but we can't ignore it completely. However good the church may look, it s based on lies. Can this be healthy for our children?
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Raising Children As Mormons
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FAQ: RAISING CHILDREN AS MORMONS

"I don't really agree with all the doctrine of the Mormon church, but they certainly have the right idea about raising children. Mormon kids are clean, honest, obedient, respectful, and they don't get mixed up with alcohol, drugs, and premarital sex. What could be a better way to raise kids?"
This comment is frequently made by Mormons who have come to have personal doubts about the truth of Mormon doctrine, but who are hesitant to separate themselves from the church "for the sake of the children." Non-Mormons frequently make this comment when they consider joining the Mormon church. Is this comment justified?

    Mormonism does indeed emphasize the raising of children and teenagers according to very strict standards. Both in doctrine and in practice, it recommends or requires:

  • Respect for parents
  • Respect for authority
  • Personal responsibility
  • Weekly church attendance and activity
  • Total abstinence from alcohol, tobacco, drugs, coffee and tea
  • Total chastity until marriage, which is interpreted to mean no premarital sex, no petting, no masturbation, i.e., no sexual activity whatsoever
    In addition, as a result of participation in the church's many programs for youth and young adults, young Mormons often become proficient in public speaking, athletics, music, crafts, and other skills, including - if they go through the training for serving a mission - sales techniques and foreign languages.

    At first glance this program might look attractive, especially to parents who may feel relatively helpless in the face of the negative influences which make our modern society such a dangerous and tempting place for young people. However, as implemented by the Mormon church, their program can be just as harmful, or more harmful, than some of the evils from which parents want to protect their children. This article summarizes some of the possible negative effects of bringing up children as Mormons.

Perfection through Obedience

    Mormons are taught that their happiness in this life and their salvation in the next life depend upon their strict obedience to the commandments of God. These commandments are found in the Mormon scriptures (Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price) and in the words of the modern prophets and leaders of the church, ranging from what is published in church periodicals, to what is preached in the semi-annual General Conferences, to what the local priesthood authorities say to church members in sermons, in classes or in private interviews and counseling sessions.

    Obedience is an important concept in Mormonism. Obedience to the teachings and commands of church is one of the solemn oaths that a good Mormon takes during the sacred endowment ceremony in the temple, but the emphasis on obedience begins in kindergarten-age "Primary Association" classes and in Sunday School. Although in theory Mormons are told that they should not obey any leader blindly, in practice no good Mormon would question what he was told by someone in authority over him in the church. If you think that something is incorrect about what you have been told, you are urged to pray and study and examine yourself, but you are also supposed to keep in mind that God would not permit anyone in authority in the church to lead any member astray. Mormon Prophet Wilford Woodruff stated, when he was president of the church:

The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty.     - from an 1890 sermon, in Doctrine and Covenants, Official Declaration 1.
    One of the songs taught to young children is Follow the Prophet!, with nine verses, and the refrain, repeated after each verse, is:
Follow the prophet,
Follow the prophet,
Follow the prophet,
Don't go astray!
Follow the prophet,
Follow the prophet,
Follow the prophet,
He knows the way.
(The "prophet," of course, refers to whoever is the current president of the Mormon church.)

    The emphasis on obedience to the prophet appears in this outline for a children's program to be presented in church before the entire congregation:

Theme: "Follow The Prophet"

(Each item is presented with short speeches by the children, illustrated with posters and songs.)

  1. What is a prophet? - Song: "We Listen To A Prophet's Voice"
  2. Heavenly Father prepared the current prophet to be the prophet today - Song: 'Keep The Commandments"
  3. Heavenly Father teaches us through our prophet at general conference. - Song: "Called to Serve"
  4. We are blessed when we follow the prophet
  5. The TRUE church was restored through the prophet Joseph Smith - Song: "The Sacred Grove"
  6. Prophets prophesy of things to come - Song: "Follow the Prophet"
  7. We have learned the names of all 15 of the latter day prophets in order! - Song: "Latter-day Prophets"

    One negative result of this kind of training is that it tends to prevent the development of self-reliance. Trying to solve your own life problems, using your own resources, is unnecessary; just ask the bishop and do what he tells you to do (which will probably be to pray and read the scriptures).

    Mormon children are taught that they must obey all the commandments. They are taught that it may sometimes be difficult, but this life is a testing place. Temptations must be overcome, and a good Mormon will be able to overcome them. If you obey priesthood authority, attend church, study the scriptures, pay a full ten percent tithing, avoid people and places where you might find temptation, then you will be able to keep all the commandments. If you are not able to keep all the commandments, then it is because you have failed to protect yourself from temptation. You have done something wrong. You have allowed yourself to have a sinful thought. You have not prayed enough. You have not read the scriptures enough. You must repent and hope that you will not sin again.

    In other words, if you are not perfect, it is your own fault. You are not trying hard enough.

    Of course, it is impossible for anyone to be perfect. Adults, through experience, usually have come to realize that perfection is an impossible ideal. But children are still idealists, and setting them such an unrealistic goal is a certain prescription for trouble. Guilt and self-doubt are inevitable. Or self-deception and rationalization. Or a feeling of alienation from a God who demands perfection.

    One former Mormon recalled being baptized as a Mormon child at the age of eight: "For weeks I was terrified that I would sin and Satan would get his grip on me again."

    Another former Mormon recalled:

I, too, was baptized at age eight. Did I want to? Did I understand what the choice was? Did I know anything except my desperate fantasy that the Holy Ghost was supposed to descend from heaven on the morning I was confirmed and sit on my shoulder and whisper all the 'right' answers to me for the rest of my life? Not likely. But I too, was bitterly disappointed when a few days after my baptism I'd 'sinned' and was once again wretched and stained and in need of God's forgiveness or else I would never see the rest of my family again in the eternities.

    The feelings of guilt, of being overpowered by "evil spirits" or "Satan" can be devastating for a child or teenager. One angry former Mormon missionary expressed it:

I had never heard much about evil spirits--until I started taking seminary in 9th grade. Seminary is where they started drilling this idea into our impressionable heads. It continued through all four years of seminary. It was at this time, as I lay in my bed at night in my room in the basement, trying to keep my hand off the monkey (but failing most of the time), that I started to worry about evil spirits. I was convinced that, sooner or later, I would get a visit by an evil spirit. I even practiced what I was going to say to make it go away.

I now see this for what it was / is.... a tool for manipulating young minds.

Interestingly (or perhaps not), the evil spirit nonsense intensifies when one goes to the MTC for mission training. The instructors had all kinds of stories about missionaries who didn't follow all the goddamn mission rules and who were then possessed by evil spirits. Guess what? I never saw an evil spirit--not even during the time of my mission when I almost came home. It is nothing but manipulation of young minds.

Moral (Sexual) Purity

    Sexuality is, of course, a fertile field for seeds of guilt and despair to grow into serious emotional problems. Mormon children are taught that any form of masturbation makes them "unworthy." A young Mormon who wants to go on a mission is told that he cannot go if he ever masturbates. For a young person who has homosexual leanings, Mormonism is pure hell. Young Mormons are taught that they would be better off dead than to have committed a sexual sin, or, in the case of a girl, even to have been raped. A rape victim (says Spencer W. Kimball in his book Miracle of Forgiveness - which has also been dubbed "It's A Miracle If You're Ever Forgiven!") is not as guilty of sin as if she had willingly participated in sex, but she is still burdened with the guilt of being considered now "unchaste":

Once given or taken, [chastity] can never be regained. ... If [a rape victim] has not cooperated and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a more favorable position. There is no condemnation where there is no voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle. (p. 196)

    Death is better than losing one's chastity in a rape?

    It has been suggested that this draconian doctrine may be a reason for the high teen-age suicide rate in Utah, so high that the governor proposed a special commission to study it (see "Seminar Strives to Reach Suicidal Teens [in Utah]", Salt Lake Tribune, Nov 6, 1998).

Truthfulness

    Mormons subtly (and probably unintentionally) teach children to lie.

    Mormons, including children, are interviewed by the bishop as to their "worthiness" for every step of their progress in the church, starting at the age of eight, when preparing for baptism into the church. In these interviews the Mormon child is faced with the choice of telling the truth "Yes, Bishop, I masturbate once in a while" and thus being declared unworthy for the next advancement, or of lying to the bishop. Many children thus learn to lie: "No, bishop, I do not masturbate." This is not a lesson, I think, that children should learn: you get punished (or at least scolded) for telling the truth, you get advancement (and praise for your "righteous obedience to the commandments") for lying.

    As soon as they are able to talk, Mormon children are urged to "bear their testimony" in testimony meeting. They are usually just mouthing the words put into their ears by a parent: "I know that Joseph Smiff was a pwoffut and the Book Mommum is twoo. Nameofjesuschristamen!" They know nothing of the sort. But they are praised for saying something they do not even understand. They are being encouraged to lie. (This kind of repetition of meaningless mantras is, of course, one of the techniques in brainwashing.)

Education and Knowledge

    A favorite Mormon scripture (Doctrine and Covenants 93:36) is: "The glory of God is intelligence, or in other words, light and truth.". Mormons put this idea into practice by emphasizing the importance of education, both individually and as an organization. The church has an extensive system of schools, teaching both religious and secular subjects, up through the university and college levels. Young Mormons, especially men, are encouraged to advance their educations as far as possible (young women get more pressure to marry and bear children).

    However, Mormons are definitely not encouraged to apply the same rigorous analytical skills they acquired in becoming doctors, lawyers, accountants, physicists, geologists, etc., to the teachings or the history of their own church. To question is to indicate doubt, and to doubt is the first step to apostasy. Thus, to avoid possible apostasy, one should not question. In fact, one Mormon leader proclaimed that "scholars" were among the "evils" threatening the church's existence and the faith of its members (Apostle Boyd K. Packer's address to the All-Church Coordinating Council). As a result, Mormon scholars who publish material critical of the church or too revealing of its history often face excommunication.

    One Mormon father reported:

A few years ago, one of the bishop's counselors approached me, concerned with the questions my son was asking in primary. I was told to keep him within the guidelines of the church manuals.
In other words, intellectual curiosity in a child is to be kept within manageable bounds.

Belonging and Being "Special"

    Every child needs - and deserves - self-esteem and approval. Mormonism provides this by assuring the child that Mormons are special: God selected them, because they were so good in the "pre-existence" (the spirit world where we all lived - according to Mormonism - before being allowed to come to Earth to inhabit a body), to be born and to live as the best possible kind of human being: a Mormon.

    Mormons are proud of being different (read: "better") than other human beings who have not been blessed with the Mormon gospel. Mormons used to say proudly, "We are a 'peculiar' people!" In the world, but not of the world.

    One non-believing Mormon explained that the reason he is staying in the church is for the sake of his children. He explained how his membership in the church allowed him to feel "special". when he studied at a very prestigious university and, realizing that he was a minnow swimming there in shark infested waters, it helped him to believe that he was better than other people. He wants that for his kids.

    A sense of community, a supportive group, social relationships - all are important. But those can be found elsewhere than in a Mormon ward. Unless you are in a very small town, there should be other groups besides Mormons that could provide some sense of community involvement. My own community is essentially rural, and we are impressed with what a fine group of kids we have here that are involved in agriculture. Farm kids are hard-working, honest, cheerful, self-reliant... and religion has very little to do with it. Cities will offer even more opportunities.

    Outward signs of belonging, and therefore of "righteousness" are thus very important to Mormons. Boys must wear a white shirt to church. Girls must wear modest dresses (no slacks) to church. Boys are not allowed to have body piercings; girls are allowed one earring per ear. There are many don'ts: don't play games on Sunday; don't play games using face cards; don't watch "R"-rated movies; don't date until you are at least sixteen; don't read anything that might not be uplifting; don't associate with people who might tempt you to break any commandment.

    But it is easy to allow the outward appearances to become the only important thing. As one former Mormon commented:

Mormonism puts such a premium on outward appearance (the temple recommend process being one example: attend church, pay tithing, say the right thing) that some people see the outward appearance as evidence of their spirituality: i.e., if your geography is right (your rear end is in the pew three hours a week) you are a spiritual person. This is of course nonsense.
    Some of these "don't"s may be appropriate, but they tend to emphasize outward behavior rather than true inner goodness.

    One exmormon mother summed up the problem like this:

I saw mormonism condemning my little children for riding bicycles on Sunday, for singing irreverent songs about God to the tune of Louie Louie. For wearing shorts to church. For exploring their own bodies. Mormonism was training my children to obey, to conform, and to fear.

Life is too short to live that way. I am a believer in the unseen, the mystical and the magical -- but also in joy. Any god that I follow will laugh, and will hope that I fly kites and attend birthday parties on Sunday. Any god that I follow will like irreverent songs and irreverent children. Any God that I follow will accept me the way I am.

    Another former Mormon said:

I feel it is right for me and my family to leave the church. I asked my daughter, who is almost eight, why she wanted to be baptized, and she said because she has to or heavenly father won't love her. That just broke my heart. Then she told me if she doesn't go to church she will go to hell. I now am seeing the narrow-minded black-and-white judgemental thinking I had in my head.

    Perhaps the most damaging result of such strict rules of outward behavior as indication of "righteousness" is that Mormons often develop a sense of being an elite, and thus tend to look down on non-Mormons, especially non-Mormons of other races than white. Although the church officially lifted its ban against any black person holding the Mormon priesthood or participating in Mormon temple rituals (including marriage for eternity) in 1978, its scriptures (especially the Book of Mormon) still contain many passages in which a dark skin is said to be a curse placed by God on the unrighteous.

    It is not uncommon for Mormon parents to discourage or even forbid their children from forming friendships with non-Mormons. Part of the reason is that they fear their Mormon children will pick up bad habits, such as swearing or masturbating. They also do not want their children to be exposed to other lifestyles, where the parents perhaps smoke, or drink coffee, or picnic on Sundays, or have crucifixes on the wall of their living room. The ultimate fear, of course, is that a friendship with a non-Mormon of the opposite sex might develop into a romantic involvement and a marriage outside the church - the ultimate tragedy in the eyes of Mormon parents (see below: Choosing What To Do In Life). Thus the Mormon child's world is often very narrow, limited to the safe uniformity of Mormons.

    One Mormon child's comment is especially poignant: one Sunday morning the family was getting into the car to drive to the three hour Mormon church services. They were dressed in their Sunday best, carrying their scriptures and their lesson materials. The neighbors (non-Mormon) were also getting into their car, but they were in beach clothes, carrying balls, beach toys, and picnic baskets, and were laughing. The Mormon boy saw them, and, like a good Mormon boy, commented, "They're not really happy, are they, Dad?"

    And if some members of the Mormon family are inactive, or have actually left the church, the children will probably see that those less-than-perfect family members are not fully accepted any longer in the family. This tends to teach children that the church is more important than the family.

    One non-Mormon grandmother wrote:

What would my Mormon relatives think if I told their children that the reason they were Mormons was because of satan? But they do the reverse: My four-year-old Mormon granddaughter (who I think the sun rises and sets on) told me the reason I did not belong to their church was because satan wouldn't let me. To me, that is evil. But that's what she has been taught in Mormon sunday school.

    It is especially sad and ironic when a non-believing parent allows the children to be raised as Mormons, thinking that it will help them to be better human beings, and they later come to see the parent (a non-believer) either as someone to be pitied, to be converted, or to be avoided as a tool of Satan. The non-believing parent's ultimate pay-back will be when the Mormon child marries in the temple, and the parent is not allowed to be present (the parent is "unworthy" to enter the temple).

Choosing What To Do In Life

    In some respects, Mormonism limits individual choice in what a young Mormon does with life. Since every young man is pressured into spending two years on a mission for the church (financed by himself or his family) when he is about nineteen, Mormon boys who choose not to do so are often seen as second-rate Mormons, especially by marriageable Mormon women, who generally insist on a returned missionary as a husband. Serving such a mission begins with several weeks of intense indoctrination (some would say "brainwashing") at the Missionary Training Center (the MTC). Two years later the returning missionary is urged to marry as soon as he can find a good Mormon girl, and then to begin raising a family. And this is the ultimate goal prescribed for all young Mormons: marry a good Mormon and raise a Mormon family. Those who hesitate or procrastinate are urged to pray until God tells them to do so.

    The reason that a Mormon is expected to marry only another Mormon is because of the Mormon doctrine that only those who have been married ("sealed") in the Mormon temple will attain the highest level of heaven. And only "worthy" Mormons, of course, can enter the temple for this ritual. Other Mormons (unmarried, or married to non-Mormons) will be eternally stuck at lower levels. (Non-Mormons, of course, will be at even lower levels.) Thus, one's eternal destiny is at stake in getting married. There is no other acceptable matrimonial option for Mormons, only marriage to another Mormon.

    The result is many hasty marriages, often after only very brief courtships (a few weeks or months). Remember that these are young, healthy people in their early twenties, who have never been allowed any release at all for their sexuality. Such marriages have all the disadvantages, all the potential for disappointment and disillusionment, that so often follow major life decisions that are hastily made.

    For Mormon women, not only are they expected to marry, they are also expected to have children, and not just one or two, but as many as possible, since it is only by having children that bodies can be provided for the spirits in the "Spirit World" (the "pre-existence") who are desperately waiting to come to Earth.

    It makes no difference that a young woman may not feel the desire to have children, that she might prefer to become a doctor, a lawyer, an opera singer, a politician. The church tells her emphatically that it is her mission in life to be a mother, and that the greatest blessing for a women (even greater than holding the priesthood - which is forbidden to women anyway) is to raise children.

    Mormon children are also trained to emphasize the difference between men and women. Only men (generally all men, including boys age twelve and up) hold the priesthood in the church, and thus only men are in positions of authority. Even where women act as leaders in the women's organization (the "Relief Society"), they are supervised by men. Women are trained to serve and obey their husbands (or fathers, if unmarried).

    It is hardly surprising, then, that many Mormon women (as well as men) suffer terribly from depression. Utah residents are among the highest users of anti-depressant medication in the United States, as documented in a CBS news story June 3, 2002,"Unhappy In Utah" and in the article "Mormon Women, Prozac, and Therapy" by Dr. Kent Ponder. The frequency of child abuse and spousal abuse in Utah is also extremely high.

Developing a Moral System

    In the wake of all the school shootings recently, many people have called for a return to more vigorous religious training for children. But it is interesting that the issue of Newsweek Magazine that dealt with school shootings (the issue of March 13, 2000), also had a cover story: "How Kids Learn Right From Wrong" (pp 30-33). It was based on interviews with psychologists, summarizing the voluminous research in this area, and it appeared to be an up-to-date and authoritative overview. And there was no mention of religion or church!

    The fact is that true morality is the ability to make judgments about right and wrong, not on the ability to follow a set of cut-and-dried rules without thinking. Sadly, too much of what passes for morality is merely a limited, black-or-white, unthinking knee-jerk reaction to complex moral issues. Mormonism encourages that kind of either-or approach to questions of right and wrong.

    Children need to be guided to actually think about why things are right or wrong, rather than simply to know that something is a "sin" or forbidden by the church. Children also need good moral models, not just arbitrary rules. It is primarily parents that must provide those models, in themselves and in those whom they encourage their children to admire. Religion is not necessary for that.

For more comments on developing morality without religion, click here.

    Mormonism, in fact, sometimes provides children with authority figures who are not the best models of kindness, forgiveness, humility, generosity, and honesty. Many former Mormons began to doubt the truth of Mormonism when they saw the un-Christlike behavior of those in authority over them in the Mormon church.

    And sometimes the overly strict prohibitions backfire, by making what is forbidden even more attractive. For example, children who grow up among adults who use alcohol moderately, without making a fuss over it, tend to follow that example. Children who have grown up seeing alcohol (or coffee or sex) only as something extremely tempting (though evil) are probably more likely to abuse it, because they have never learned to use it in moderation.

Conclusion

    Perhaps the best summary would be these words, from a former Mormon:

Yes, Mormon kids are perhaps less likely than others to get involved with liquor, smoking, drugs, promiscuous sex. But many non-Mormon parents have managed to raise good kids without having to pay the Mormon price. [emphasis added]
    Mormonism cannot offer any guarantee that children who are raised as Mormons will be happier, better adjusted adults. In fact, thousands of people who were raised as Mormons by "good" Mormon families have testified that their Mormon upbringing is a major source of their emotional and social problems later in life.

    Perhaps sometimes the children know best - one doubting Mormon mother finally found the courage to tell her Mormon parents that she no longer believed. She wrote:

After I had the conversation with my mom, my 17 year old daughter said "Thanks for doing this for me, Mom". When I asked what she was thanking me for, she said it was for being the one to break the bad cycle, and for teaching her to think for herself. That made up for any amount of crap I'll have to take from my parents!

©  2002 Richard Packham    Permission granted to reproduce for non-commercial purposes, provided text is not changed and this copyright notice is included

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Rights Of Parents Vs The Mormon Church's Policies, Especially In Regards To Private Interviews
Article Archived: Feb 28, 2006, at 08:34 AM
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One would think that The Mormon Church would be interested in protecting their volunteer leaders from any kind of impropriety in a private interview. Instead, some bishops take the policies to the "letter of the law" and ignore the rights of the parent to be present in all interviews of their children.

Raising our own kids, I went along using blind faith in the leaders like Mormons generally do. I was so well programmed that it never occurred to me to insist on being in an interview! Imagine that! Now, it is an entirely different situation. Under no circumstances would I allow anyone to interview my children outside my presence!

I have no idea if the bishops interviews were improper or uncomfortable for our children but I suspect they were.And, I highly suspect that my own children were afraid to tell me they were uncomfortable!

The most egregious behavior of Mormon bishops, in particular is requiring a child, particularly males (12 on up) to confess their thoughts or actions regarding masturbation, including descriptions. I have seen boys lined up outside bishop's offices in the "repentance" process regarding the so called sin of masturbation. It might not be obvious to the outsider, but knowing the level of questioning, their repeated interviews leaves nothing to the imagination.

I have seen the pain this causes young boys, especially teenagers. I highly suspect, also that this is one of the reasons why so many teenagers leave The Mormon Church.

If there is any "sin" involved in this, it is the abhorrent sin of the Mormon Church to put these children through the impropriety of an obvious privacy issue.

It is time that The Mormon Church stops invading, over riding and ignoring parental authority. This policy needs to be changed to protect the rights of privacy of our own Mormon children and grand children.

All interviews need to be attended by the parent, and a list of questions needs to be given to the parents before the interview.

A tiny window in the door of a bishop's office, or another leader sitting on a chair outside is not sufficient to protect children, or the rights and authority of a parent.

This is an issue that needs to be in the spot light for as long as it takes for The Mormon Church to make a change to protect children and stop taking parental rights away from their parents.

This is only the tip of the iceberg in how Mormonism takes away parental rights ! The other issue, is how Mormonism takes away spousal rights to privacy also.
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Save the Children!
Article Archived: Apr 20, 2006, at 09:33 AM
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I want to teach my kids how to think for themselves without my wife's definition of "openly and intentionally trying to destroy their testimonies". I want to teach them how to use rational skepticism in a positive way to choose a path of progression and continuous improvement that feels right for them. I want to help them develop their brains to recognize, appreciate, and leverage symbolism and meaning without the often destructive and stunting effects of literalistic thinking and dogmatism.

I view Mormon theology and dogma as a huge barrier to these goals, and yet the woman I love and cherish embraces them as her center, and even above me. I believe there must be a win-win for both of us. I am fine with my kids choosing the Mormon lifestyle if it truly "works" for them, but I will consider myself a failure as their father if I allow the Mormon Church to condition them from birth like dogs using fear tactics and physiological control techniques. How can I destroy this cancer without destroying my wife and loved ones along with it?

I believe the Mormon Church is in error in their seeming philosophy from my perspective that the end justifies the means, milk before meat, and other self-serving and false analogies. They should have respected me enough and earned my trust by presenting all relevant information throughout my entire indoctrination and allowed me the human courtesy of making my own informed decision. I suspect greed, arrogance, and a perception of self-importance has blinded them and serves as rationalization for their continued growth strategy. Their impressive growth in my estimation is for all of the wrong reasons and I despise them for their immorality and unethical behavior in this regard. Their lawyer apostles and apologists are as wolves in sheep's clothing regarding this continued deception. Why can't they just sell their theology with full disclosure and let the buyers prove all things and hold fast that which is good? The irony is that this is the supposed plan they claim to support.

I will be pondering and calculating ways to achieve my win-win balance with my loved ones. Perhaps one of the ways to reduce inevitable long-term pain and suffering for my progeny would be to help the church leadership take a closer look at the real family damage they're causing within the loving relationships they purport to build and cherish. Maybe they could be open minded enough to consider potential solutions that included options more than merely cracking down tighter on control mechanisms designed to diminish the probability of deviation from their authoritarian certitude at the expense of individual freedom and agency. I don't believe it's ethical for them to create artificial fear based on their own delusions, regardless of their own sincere beliefs.

Based on their past and present behaviors, I'm not sure I would trust Church leaders with research information providing them with the potential for positive and empathetic human improvements. I believe their past and current reputation accurately judges their character to be untrustworthy and self serving at the expense of individual relationships. I hope they would do the right thing with such information. They have the money, power, and resources to collect this information regardless of my efforts and opinions. My hope is that they might have enough human compassion left to exercise some level of mercy on their often unsuspecting, mesmerized, hypnotic, and hopelessly willing subjects.

Why do they think they have a monopoly on every positive human emotion and experience, and a purported reason and warning for every unknown human suffering and fear? Why do they purposefully blind and detract their subjects away from information suggesting the realistic and unlikely probability of such claims? How can we humans overcome our natural traits and physiological tendencies that make us so gullible and such easy targets for this kind of psychological abuse? I will actively search for technology, research, and development in this area to combat the stranglehold and pied-piper effect of Mormon mind control and cult-like indoctrination techniques used on my loved ones.

I am very concerned about the lack of healthy checks and balances in the Mormon hierarchy. I have recently studied the story of Moses in Exodus and Deuteronomy coming down from the mountain and ordering the literal and physical execution of thousands of his people because they wouldn't recognize his authority. His faithful subjects happily carried out his orders without question.

Obviously, the Mormon hierarchy is nowhere near this extreme today. However, I believe the framework is set for this probability to become a reality in the future ... a future which will include my own highly influenced progeny. It's interesting to look at the parallels between the stories of initially supposed righteous kings in the Book of Mormon stories and how subsequent kings became wicked and subjugated their people because of the abuse of their perceived authority and in the absence of healthy checks and balances. It's ironic that even Book of Mormon theology seems to discourage kings for this very reason, and yet here we are today with full blown prophet kings, stake president kings, and bishop kings.

The hollow assurance that the Lord would never let the prophet lead the church astray is nothing but lip service. Our modern day prophets, seers, and revelators couldn't even see through the deception of a common forger of historical documents like Mark Hoffman, let alone their own perceived power and authority in all things. Joseph Smith cleverly explains how man's will can become God's will after the fact as I read his justifications for his secret polygamous and polyandrous relationships found in the Doctrine & Covenants. Smith claims that as long as you have made some impressive sacrifices for your God then he will surely justify you as a prophet in any bind you might get yourself into because of mortal and fallible behavior, including unrighteous dominion of all kinds, and sexual abuses stemming from submission to perceived power and authority.

I believe early church founders were counting on their hopes that they could become an independent nation and exercise their version of dictatorship without the restraints and freedoms allowed by the US government. If they hadn't escaped to the isolation of the Wild, Wild West, they may not be thriving as they are today. The whole polygamy fiasco nearly exterminated their existence but a last minute wake up call to reality preserved their existence. The only thing that continues to keep the Mormons in check today is the US Government. God forbid if the wishful thinking White Horse prophecy/myth ever randomly happened to the extent where the US Government lost its check on the Mormon Church and their ambitions to rule the world.

I hope for a better tomorrow. I choose to be proactive in my efforts for continuous improvements. I believe I can have a positive impact on my future and the futures of my loved ones for good. "If ye are prepared ye shall not fear". I want to prepare myself and my children to think for ourselves, and to develop the necessary skills to successfully participate in a productive collective of human beings within our current culture and society. I believe we are all interconnected to this world and this physical reality. I want to be a part of a healthy and productive solution aimed at continuous improvement and progression. I don't want to limit myself to the debilitating and stunting dogma of ancient foregone conclusions steeped in myth, superstition, and fear of the unknown.

How can I help my children build a better tomorrow?
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It's Official - Men Can No Longer Teach Primary Classes, For Fear Of Molesting Kids
Article Archived: Apr 24, 2006, at 09:42 AM
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At least it is official in my stake. A high councilor went to each ward and announced the new policy that "priesthood holders"(ie. men)can no longer teach primary.

Some interesting quotes:
  • if you are asked to substitute for someone, you can only do so if your wife or another priesthood holder goes with you as a witness
  • all four men who now teach in the primary in the ward are immediately released
  • it is a sign of the times we all live in
  • we don't want to be accused of things that have happened to that other religion.
  • we want to avoid the appearance of evil
  • we will from now on have an all female primary
Of course they made no mention of the recent lawsuits that the church lost over the issue. Maybe this is the begining of the end for youth worthiness interviews.

In a way, this kind of pisses me off. This puts in the mind of the women and children (maybe just subconsiously) in the church that all men are inherently evil and potential child molesters. Are there not female child molesters? Haven't a few been in the news lately pulling a "joseph smith" in reverse.
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Primary Brainwashing
Article Archived: Jun 8, 2006, at 07:48 AM
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My oldest daughter came home from Primary Sunday with a special banner that she made. It said "When it's sick that I am feeling, I will let the priesthood do the healing."

My wife didn't like my version, "When it's cancer I've got, the priesthood won't do squat."

The church is trying to teach my kids that doctors are irrelevant, that all you need is a "worthy priesthood holder" and all your ills will be cured. No wonder some people see the church as a cult like the scientologists.
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The Church Is Separating Me From My Daughter
Article Archived: Jun 12, 2006, at 07:25 AM
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The church is separating me from my daughter.

And I did nothing wrong except find out that the church isn’t true. And suddenly, my precious 15 year old daughter, who has always looked up to me, has to cry in church because her dad no long believes; he has lost faith.

She is my own flesh and blood. I raised her, I changed her messy diapers. I picked her up when she fell. I taught her how to jump on the trampoline, play chess. And I taught her how to tell the truth and be good person. And now, because I will no longer live a lie, I am the bad guy. Since I refuse to say that I believe in racist and immoral doctrine as taught by (insert name of early church president here), I have to watch my beautiful and bright daughter cry when she is persuaded by her “leaders” that I am being controlled by Satan.

How dare they? Who the hell do they think they are? They better be awful sure that they are right and that I am going to hell; or otherwise they are ruining one of the most beautiful things in this life.

I can live with having friends, coworkers, even my adult siblings thinking I am wrong. But why take away my own children? Every week she gets letters of invitation, calls to come to mutual, invitations to sing in church. (How perverse, they take a wonderful talent she has and manipulate my family with it.)

They all are well intentioned. They only want what is “best” for her. But it is their “best” not mine. They are arrogant, ignorant and completely duped. The amazing thing is, as I realized when I would talk with a few of them, they are clueless. Most of them don’t really know what the church teaches; let alone what the church has to hide. Most of these do-gooders haven’t even read the Book of Mormon. Yet they are willing to make my daughter feel bad about me. And put a wedge between us.

Most of the time my kids still understand and respect me, and often, I am sure they may have a deep feeling that I am right. But the emotional impact of teary eyed sacrament meetings, emotional music, brain washing EFY sessions, etc. put them back again and again. And sometimes I feel I am fighting an up hill battle.

And I did nothing wrong, except love their mother, provide them food, shelter, love and self esteem.

And find out that Joseph Smith lied. It isn’t that hard. Why can’t they see it?
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Systematic Indoctrination In Mormonism Starts Very Early. Here's An Example From The 2006 Primary 1 Manual, Used To Teach Children Who Are 18 Months To 3 Years Old
Article Archived: Jun 21, 2006, at 08:11 AM
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"How could I have ever believed in Mormonism?!" is a question often asked by people on this board. The answer is: Through systematic indoctrination in the LDS religion and psychological conditioning in Mormonism (which is more than the religion). For people raised in the church, the 'programming' began at birth and continued to the end of their teen years and beyond.

A person raised in a 'faithful' LDS family/home received about 5,000 hours of formal indoctrination in Mormonism from birth to the end of their 18th year. Added to those hours were the many hundreds of hours of experiences that reinforced church doctrines and teachings, and Mormon beliefs and values. For example, if an LDS family read the scriptures every day, from infancy to age 18 a young person sat through/participated in more than 6,000 sessions of scripture reading.

So, exactly what happened to our minds/psyches to cause us to believe in Mormonism? Well, for starters, it's a psychological fact that when children are born, they have no sense of self, no perception/inner experience of themselves as separate from their parents and siblings, crib and toys, or anything else. Infants are psychologically 'fused' with everything in their world for about the first six months of life. Their psyches have not developed sufficiently for them to realize that they are distinct.

Because we started life with no self-concept/-identity, we were completely vulnerable psychologically. We had no guard, so to speak, to scrutinize the ideas that other people were planting in the garden of our psyche. Those people included our parent(s), siblings, other relatives, teachers at church and school, priesthood authority figures, friends, and other individuals. We were particularly susceptible to unquestioningly accepting whatever our parent(s) told us was 'good' and 'bad', 'true' and 'false', etc. because our physical survival depended on them. We also needed them for whatever measure of love, acceptance, and approval they were mature enough to give us.

In most cases, unhealthy psychological 'building blocks' were used in the 'construction' of our psyches during our formative years. Mindless/unquestioning obedience to LDS authority figures was one such 'block' (and it still is) for people raised in Mormonism. Systematic indoctrination in the cultish Mormon idea that Latter-Day Saints are 'blessed' when they 'follow the prophet' began (and still begins) at a very early age, as the following text from Primary Lesson Manual 1 indicates:

"Lesson # 43: We Have a Living Prophet

Purpose: To help each child understand that we are blessed when we follow the prophet.

Attention Activity: One at a time, show the pictures of Noah (picture 1-29), Moses (picture 1-66), and Joseph Smith (picture 1-4). Invite the children to tell what they know about what is happening in each picture. After discussing what the children know about the pictures, briefly explain that Jesus told Noah to build an ark so his family would be saved from a flood. Jesus told Moses to free the Israelites from slavery. Jesus told Joseph Smith that he should not join any of the churches then on the earth.

Explain that Noah, Moses, and Joseph Smith were all prophets. A prophet is a man who talks with Heavenly Father and Jesus. Since Heavenly Father and Jesus are not on the earth to teach us, they have prophets to help them. Heavenly Father and Jesus teach the prophet, and the prophet teaches us what we should do so that we can be blessed and happy.

We have a prophet on the earth today

Display the picture of the living prophet. Tell the children something you know about the prophet.

Have the children stand and say, “(Name of the living prophet) is a prophet of God.”

Activity: Have each child select a piece of paper from the bowl or basket you prepared. Read the message on each piece of paper and discuss it briefly with the children. Tell the children that these messages are all things that the living prophet has asked us to do.

Activity: Ask the children to think of ways they can follow the prophet. Toss or hand a beanbag or soft object to each child and say, “I will follow our prophet by ______.” Have each child finish the sentence with a way he or she can follow the prophet.

We are blessed when we follow the prophet

Refer again to the pictures of Noah, Moses, Joseph Smith, and the living prophet. Explain that because Noah’s family followed him, they were saved from a flood. Because the Israelites followed Moses, they were led out of Egypt into a better land. Because people followed Joseph Smith, they became members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Song: Help the children sing or say the words to the chorus of “Follow the Prophet” (Children’s Songbook, p. 110). Explain that to go astray means to do wrong things. Have a child hold up the picture of the living prophet while you sing.

Follow the prophet, follow the prophet, follow the prophet; don’t go astray.
Follow the prophet, follow the prophet, follow the prophet; he knows the way.

Follow the prophet, follow the prophet, follow the prophet; don't go astray.
Follow the prophet, follow the prophet, follow the prophet; he knows the way.


Sing or say the words to “We Thank Thee, O God, for a Prophet” (Hymns, no. 19) for the children.

Think of some situations where the children could follow the prophet’s teachings. Describe each situation to the class, and have the children tell or act out what they would do in each situation to follow the prophet. For example: “You see some money in the kitchen. You would like to have it, but you know it belongs to your mother. What will you do to follow the prophet’s teaching to be honest?”

1. Display a picture of the living prophet during the entire class time. Take time to tell the children who he is. Explain that he loves them and wants to help them return to Heavenly Father and Jesus. Repeat this two or three times during the class.

2. Play “Follow the Leader” with the children. Have the children stand in a line. The first child in line runs, hops, skips, or does some other action to the other side of the room. The other children follow the first child, doing what he or she did. Then the first child goes to the end of the line, and the next child becomes the new leader.

Continue until each child has had a turn to be the leader. After the game, explain that the prophet is the leader of the Church. If we follow the things he tells us to do, he will lead us back to Heavenly Father and Jesus.

Infymus Editor Note: Feel free to throw up now.
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The Youth Activity That Tipped The Scales For My Teens
Article Archived: Jun 27, 2006, at 08:56 AM
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My teen son's came home from a youth activity and they could see through the "holes" of the church. As a TBM mom at that time I didn't understand too much, but this was the activity, maybe some wards did the same thing:

They had the building set up in a world/3 degrees of glory. The kids played games and won prizes in the "world" setting, and then were "tagged" by messengers one by one, to leave the gym/world and their prizes in a box to go to judgement and then their assigned room for one of the degrees of glory.

Kids who played the "chance games" got sent to the lower kingdom room. They had to sit in seats and be taught by someone teaching a boring lesson. Those who chose to do the "churchie" games, got to go to the higher kingdom room. It was decorated with flowers and they got a better experience (I can't really remember what they said). Those who participated in mini church classes and scripture chases without prizes but lots of winning points for answering questions correctly, got to go to the celestial kingdom room where there was a beautiful cake and refreshments, lovely decorations, and music.

My kids got the "lowest" kingdom judgement and said the ones who made it to the CK room were the pious girls of the ward, there were no boys there. That is when it clicked that they knew it was all a fraud! Thanks, youth leaders for helping my sons out.
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EFY - Memories From The Manipulation Camp
Article Archived: Aug 30, 2006, at 08:12 AM
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Original Author Of Article: rogue_guitarist
When I was in my teens, my brothers wanted to go to EFY. They heard all the other mormon kids talk about it and thought for sure it would be so much fun to go. My parents eventually agreed to pay for half of the cost if they would cover the other half working for a man at church, who owned an apartment complex.

There was no way I was going. I was on my way to resignation, but still hadn't come out about my non-beleif to my family. I didn't want them to know why I didn't wish to go. When they asked, I told them I didn't have a particular reason, it just didn't appeal to me. To my luck, they bought tickets anyway. I guess they thought it was a money issue, because they didn't make me or my brothers pay for it. They should have thanked me, I saved them gobs of money.

At this point, I was stuck. To refuse the tickets they already bought would take alot of explaining. I didn't want to tell them how I felt, because I was too afraid of the ridicule that would follow. At this point in my life, I believe I already had my mind made up about resignation, but knew that it would be best to wait until I turned eighteen, so that legally there would be nothing my parents could do to stop me. Until then, I had to play the game and that meant going to EFY.

One thing I was sure to do before I left was create a new email address. It was then that I came up with rogue_guitarist. Rogue is the brand name of the guitar I just bought, so that would make me the rogue guitarist. I printed it up on business cards to hand out to friends I met. I figured I would try to look for the unfaithful ones, the ones who didn't have a testimony and weren't looking for one either. I didn't think this would be hard, alot of the guys at EFY are just in it for the girls. I figured I would be one of those guys. I got lots of ladies phone numbers.

I remember standing in line to sign up and get my room keys. There were all kinds of people waiting. Most looked like Molly Mormon or Peter Priesthood type. A few were punk looking, and a whole lot of them had guitars. Most people had acoustics. I must have looked like a bad ass with my electric. I got so many comments on what a nice guitar it was. There was one guy playing around with a manican head. He turned out to be in my group. I remember his name was Matt. If it weren't for him, EFY would have sucked alot worse. I'll talk more about him later.

My group turned out to be OK. Our counselors were alright, but I still thought that I should lay low. I didn't want to give them anything that would make me a target. Staying under that radar would definetly be a wise choice. The girls in our group were nice and very hot, though on the molly mormon side. The guys were cool to hang with. None of them were really the Peter Preisthood type. Matt definetly was the life of the group. He was absolutely crazy. At one of the dances, for instance, he used his manican head in a routine and almost won a dance contest. If if weren't for that prick who took off his shoe and played it as a phone, he would have won. Also, just crazy things like jumping down a whole set of stairs in one leap. Once he did it, we all had to. He was honest about everything, he even told all guys in our group that he didn't have a testimony and that he was going on a mission. I thought that was cool that he would admit to that, and even better that the other guys didn't look down on him afterwards. At least I knew I was safe around the guys.

When we actually broke out for classes, I started to feel sick to my stomach. I couldn't stand to be in that environment. I felt like nonstop manipulation. Every session was just another attempt to induce a spirit high, play with their emotions and they will simply beleive. This was even what they titled the camp that year, "Believe". And that dumb them song makes me gag to this day.

After a while, I came up with a way to help me feel better during sessions. I remembered the story about how Elizibeth Smart spoke out against her abductors in her journal, but in french. They gave us these journals that we were supposed to take notes with and maybe write a single passage a day about our experience. I decided to use it in a similar way as elizibeth, I would write in my journal every reason why I disagreed with the speaker. By the end of the camp, I had all seventy pages full. My counselor commented on how faithful I was for writing so much in my journal. If he only knew. I wish I still had that journal. I'm not sure what happened to it. Maybe, my parents took it away, or one of my brothers found it. Either way, I'm not sure it's still in tact today. Later, I ditched some of the sessions with Matt and we ended up walking all around the college campus, just goofing around. That was fun.

Our group won the cheering contest. We must have had alot of talent in our group or something. Most of the girls we were cheerleaders or on a dance team, so we had that part covered. I helped write lyrics to a song, sung to the tune of "We are the Champions" by Queen. Our theme was modesty. The most simple direct slogan we could come up with was, "Modest is the Hottest." Some college students walked by when we were making our sign. They offhandedly made that comment, "I think raging femenists are the hottest." I have to agree. Femenazis are the hottest women alive.

By the end of camp, I think I learned alot of valuable lessons. One of them is that I shouldn't be afraid of what I beleive, or more specific don't beleive. Eventually, I told all of the other kids in my group that I what I really thought about Mormonism. They took it really well. Some of the girls were surprised. They wrote me funny sayings on a goodbye note like, "The book is blue, the church is true". I knew they didn't get it, but it didn't matter to me. I survived EFY, and had learned alot about the Mormon mind game. I had lot's of fun, more than I was willing to admit at the time. But I still thought it was a manipulation camp. I have to confess, though, coming out of the camp I felt really bitter and angry. I felt like I was used, and my parents set me up. I felt like they didn't care what I thought, they just want to make my descisions for me. To this day, I don't think that attidtude has completely disappeared.

The week after I got out of camp, I wrote up my resignation letter. It would still be a year before I turned eighteen, but I couldn't wait to write it. There was too much going through my mind to put it off. Today, I have a copy of that same letter hanging on my wall, next to the Greg Dodge reply... This letter is to inform you that you are no longer a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
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One Of The First Signs For Me The LDS Church Was Changing
Article Archived: Aug 30, 2006, at 08:27 AM
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Original Author Of Article: Stray Mutt
We middle aged and older folks can probably remember back to the '50s when "I Am a Child of God" was a new song. Our Primary learned it as part of a special sacrament meeting program. It was an instant hit.

Originally the chorus said, "Teach me all that I must know to live with Him someday." But somewhere along the line -- during the Kimball years, I think -- it was changed to "Teach me all that I must DO..."

Ah, a subtle shift in emphasis. It's not what you know that matters, it's what you do. The church became a taskmaster rather than a teacher of enlightening, ennobling, eternal principles. Don't worry about contemplating or even understanding the Gospel, just do the work.