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 | Thursday, Dec 6, 2007, at 07:19 AM Emma Smith Lied For Smith Regarding Polygamy Original Author(s): Deconstructor EMMA SMITH -Guid- | ↑ |
| Emma Smith's credibility is seriously in doubt when it comes to her answers about the Book of Mormon origins and polygamy.
In addition to her false claim that Smith couldn't "write nor dictate a coherent and well-worded letter" she also lied to her son about polygamy. Here are other questions and her answers from that same letter: Q. What about the revelation on polygamy? Did Joseph Smith have anything like it? What of spiritual wifery? A. There was no revelation on either polygamy, or spiritual wives. There were some rumors or something of the sort, of which I asked my husband. He assured me that all there was to it was that, in a chat about plural wives, he had said, "Well, such a system might possibly be, if everybody was agreed to it, and would behave as they should; but they would not; and besides, it was contrary to the will of heaven." No such thing as polygamy, or spiritual wifery, was taught, publicly or privately, before my husband's death, that I have now, or ever had, any knowledge of. Q. Did he not have other wives than yourself? A. He had no other wife but me; nor did he to my knowledge ever have. Q. Did he not hold marital relation with women other than yourself? A. He did not have improper relations with any woman that ever came to my knowledge. Q. Was there nothing about spiritual wives that you recollect? A. At one time my husband came to me and asked me if I had heard certain rumors about spiritual marriages, or anything of the kind; and assured me that if I had, that they were without foundation; that there was no such doctrine, and should never be with his knowledge, or consent. I know that he had no other wife or wives than myself, in any sense, either spiritual or otherwise" [From Emma Smith Bidamon Interview with Joseph Smith III, February 1879 Published as "Last Testimony of Sister Emma," Saints' Herald 26 (1 October 1879): 289-90. Also published in Saints' Advocate 2 (October 1879): 49-52. as quoted in "Early Mormon Documents Vol. 1," edited by Dan Vogel; Signature Books, Salt Lake City, 1996; p. 542.] Emma's answers are blatant lies, as the historical record shows. Her intentions are fairly clear - she is lying in order to protect Joseph Smith's legacy. What she said in the same letter about Smith's involvement in creating the Book of Mormon is equally suspect. |
| | Friday, Jun 5, 2009, at 07:58 AM Emma Turns Fanny Alger Out Of The House Original Author(s): Randy J. EMMA SMITH -Guid- | ↑ |
| Former apostle William McLellin: "Again I told her (Emma) I heard that one
night she missed Joseph and Fannie Alger. She went to the barn and saw him and
Fanny in the barn together alone. She looked through the crack and saw the
transaction!! She told me this story too was verily true."
Ann Eliza Webb (future plural wife of Brigham Young): "It was with a shocked surprise that the people heard that sister Emma had turned Fanny out of the house in the night...it was felt that she (Emma) certainly must have had some very good reason for her action. By degrees it became whispered about that Joseph's love for his adopted daughter was by no means a paternal affection, and his wife, discovering the fact, at once took measures to place the girl beyond his reach." Chauncey Webb (Ann's father): "Emma was furious, and drove the girl, who was unable to conceal the consequences of her celestial relation with the prophet, out of her house." Benjamin Johnson: "I was afterwards told by Warren Parrish that he himself & Oliver Cowdery did know that Joseph had Fanny Alger as a wife for they were spied upon and found together." |
| | Tuesday, Jul 5, 2011, at 08:21 AM Fanny And Emma Original Author(s): baura EMMA SMITH -Guid- | ↑ |
| "Although undocumented, the marriage of Fanny and Joseph most likely took place in Kirtland, Ohio sometime in 1833. She would have been sixteen years old. At the time, Fanny was living in the Smith home, perhaps helping Emma with house work and the children. Ann Eliza Webb recalls, “Mrs. Smith had an adopted daughter, a very pretty, pleasing young girl, about seventeen years old. She was extremely fond of her; no mother could be more devoted, and their affection for each other was a constant object of remark, so absorbing and genuine did it seem”.
"Joseph kept his marriage to Fanny out of the view of the public, and his wife Emma. Chauncey Webb recounts Emma’s later discovery of the relationship: “Emma was furious, and drove the girl, who was unable to conceal the consequences of her celestial relation with the prophet, out of her house”. (ref. http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/02-... ) Fanny was "was unable to conceal the consequences of her celestial relation with the prophet [Joseph]" - sounds a lot like a pregnancy to me! Another interesting aspect of this bit of 'faith-deflating' Mormon history is "Joseph kept his marriage to Fanny out of the view of the public, and his wife Emma", which was a direct violation of one of the 'revealed' 'principles of polygamy known to JS just one year after the church began in 1830. From the LDS Church's summary of D&C Section 132 (the so-called 'revelation' about polygamy): "Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831." (Ref. http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testamen...) One of the 'revealed principles' was "the first [wife] give her consent", as per D&C 132:61: "And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else." The fact that Emma was kept in the dark by her adulterous husband was not the first and only time that the so-called 'Prophet of the Restoration' disobeyed the 'revealed principle' from 'the Lord' about obtaining the consent of "the first" wife. 17-year-old Lucy Walker was another of JS' sexual victims. "While living in the Smith home, Lucy remembers: “In the year 1842 President Joseph Smith sought an interview with me, and said, ‘I have a message for you, I have been commanded of God to take another wife, and you are the woman.’ My astonishment knew no bounds. This announcement was indeed a thunderbolt to me...He asked me if I believed him to be a Prophet of God. ‘Most assuredly I do I replied.’...He fully Explained to me the principle of plural or celestial marriage. Said this principle was again to be restored for the benefit of the human family. That it would prove an everlasting blessing to my father’s house.” “What do you have to Say?” Joseph asked. “Nothing” Lucy replied, “How could I speak, or what would I say?” Joseph encouraged her to pray: “tempted and tortured beyond endureance until life was not desirable. Oh that the grave would kindly receive me that I might find rest on the bosom of my dear mother...Why – Why Should I be chosen from among thy daughters, Father I am only a child in years and experience. No mother to council; no father near to tell me what to do, in this trying hour. Oh let this bitter cup pass. And thus I prayed in the agony of my soul.” "Joseph told Lucy that the marriage would have to be secret, but that he would acknowledge her as his wife, “beyond the Rocky Mountains”. He then gave Lucy an ultimatum, “It is a command of God to you. I will give you untill to-morrow to decide this matter. If you reject this message the gate will be closed forever against you.” Lucy said, “This arroused every drop of scotch in my veins...I felt at this moment that I was called to place myself upon the altar a liveing Sacrafice, perhaps to brook the world in disgrace and incur the displeasure and contempt of my youthful companions; all my dreams of happiness blown to the four winds, this was too much, the thought was unbearable.” "Lucy married Joseph on May 1, 1843. At the time, Emma was in St. Louis buying supplies for the Nauvoo hotel. Lucy remembers, “Emma Smith was not present and she did not consent to the marriage; she did not know anything about it at all.” (ref. http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/23-... ) So, 37-year-old JS psychologically pressured a teenage girl young enough to be his daughter to secretly become his plural wife and left Emma, his first wife and the church's Relief Society president, in the dark about his illegal and adulterous union with the girl. By 1843, JS had transitioned from philandering husband to sexual predator. In early 1843, he went after his youngest-yet sexual victim, 14-year-old Helen Mar Kimball. Like Lucy, Helen was given just 24 hours to make a life-changing decision (marry the 'Prophet' or not). Why the rush? What Helen didn't know is that JS had earlier psychologically broken her parents to the idea of polygamy, which was profoundly immoral from the early 19th-century Protestant American perspective, by telling Vilate and Heber Kimball (Helen's parents) that 'the Lord' had commanded Vilate to marry JS! He told the Kimball couple it would be their 'Abrahamic test of faith' - yeah, right! After agonizing days, a psychologically broken Vilate agreed and her authority-pleasing husband didn't have the cajones to stand up to JS and tell him to go to hell. Once JS had the Kimballs' agreement that Vilate would marry him, he suddenly had another 'revelation' in which 'the Lord' informed the Kimballs - through the 'prophet' JS, of course - that God no longer required Vilate to become JS' plural wife. They had passed their 'test of faith' and been found 'worthy'! JS never wanted Vilate; he wanted their sexually developing 14-year-old daughter. Now that the parents had been broken to the idea of polygamy and Vilate had finally been willing to marry JS (thereby breaking the law), JS knew that coercing young Helen to become his next wife would be easy because her parents wouldn't shield her from JS' polygamy - which they didn't. It's no wonder that JS was shot/murdered. He had become a scourge in the lives of Mormon married women, single women and teenage girls. The first and only edition of the Nauvoo Expositor makes that clear (ref. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Nauvoo_... ). |
| | Thursday, Nov 17, 2011, at 07:48 AM Fact Finding On Emma's Proposal Original Author(s): fa1thless, Mithryn EMMA SMITH -Guid- | ↑ |
| I have seen a lot of posts mentioning Joesph telling Emma, marry me or god will kill me type stuff. Can someone please source that for me using a church history source or something reputable.
--- I've never heard of a threat to Emma. He definitely mentioned the angel with a drawn sword to the plural wives, but Emma willingly ran away with him. Josiah Stohl lent her a ride to the purpose, and Joseph Knight gave Smith a new suit to propose before, when her father refused to consider it. But there is absolutely no evidence of her being kidnapped, or example to be taken up to New York for the marriage. Angel with a sword references: the sources that associate Joseph with the sword bearing angel are all late.
Quote: "The same God that has thus far dictated me and directed me and strengthened me in this work, gave me this revelation and commandment on celestial and plural marriage, and the same God commanded me to obey it. He said to me that unless I accepted it, and introduced it, and practiced it, I, together with my people would be damned and cut off from this time henceforth. We have got to observe it. It is an eternal principle and was given by way of commandment and not by way of instruction." - Prophet Joseph Smith, Contributor, Vol. 5, p. 259 "When that principle was revealed to the Prophet Joseph Smith ... he did not falter, although it was not until an angel of God, with a drawn sword, stood before him; and commanded that he should enter into the practice of that principle, or he should be utterly destroyed, or rejected, that he moved forward to reveal and establish that doctrine." - Prophet Joseph F. Smith, "Plural Marriage for the Righteous Only-Obedience Imperative-Blessings Resulting", Journal of Discourses, Vol.20, p.28 - p.29 "I know whereon I stand, I know what I believe, I know what I know and I know what I testify to you is the living truth. As I expect to meet it at the bar of the eternal Jehovah, it is true. And when you stand before the bar you will know. He preached polygamy and he not only preached it, but he practiced it. I am a living witness to it. It was given to him before he gave it to the Church. An angel came to him and the last time he came with a drawn sword in his hand and told Joseph if he did not go into that principle, he would slay him." - Sister Mary Lightner, Address to Brigham Young University, April 14th, 1905, BYU Archives and Manuscripts See: http://www.ldshistory.net/pc/merlbyu.... "His brother, Hyrum, said to me, "Now, Brother Benjamin, you know that Brother Joseph would not sanction this if it was not from the Lord. The Lord revealed this to Brother Joseph long ago, and he put it off until the Angel of the Lord came to him with a drawn sword and told him that he would be slain if he did not go forth and fulfill the law." He told my sister to have no fears, and he there and then sealed my sister, Almira, to the Prophet." "Soon after this he was at my house again, where he occupied my Sister Almira's room and bed, and also asked me for my youngest sister, Esther M. I told him she was promised in marriage to my wife's brother. He said, "Well, let them marry, for it will all come right."" - Elder Benjamin F. Johnson, My Life's Review See: http://mormonlore.freeservers.com/joh... "He there and then explained to me the doctrine of plurality of wives; he said that the Lord had revealed it unto him, and commanded him to have women sealed to him as wives; that he foresaw the trouble that would follow, and sought to turn away from the commandment; that an angel from heaven then appeared before him with a drawn sword, threatening him with destruction unless he went forward and obey the commandment." "He further said that my sister, Eliza R. Snow, had been sealed to him as his wife for time and eternity. He told me that the Lord would open the way, and I should have women sealed to me as wives. This conversation was prolonged, I think, one hour or more, in which he told me many important things." "I solemnly declare before God and holy angels, and as I hope to come forth in the morning of the resurrection, that the above statement is true." - Prophet Lorenzo R. Snow, sworn affadavidt. See: http://www.mormons.org.uk/celest.htm "19 year-old Zina remained conflicted until a day in October, apparently, when Joseph sent [her older brother] Dimick to her with a message: an angel with a drawn sword had stood over Smith and told him that if he did not establish polygamy, he would lose "his position and his life." Zina, faced with the responsibility for his position as prophet, and even perhaps his life, finally acquiesced." (In Sacred Loneliness, page 80-81) "An Angel of God Stood by him (Joseph Smith) with a drawn Sword and told him he should be slain & Cut off from the Earth and the kingdom of God if he did not obey that Law (of polygamy). George Q Cannon was of the same opinion, that a man must have more then one wife at a time in order to obey that Law." - Prophet Wilford Woodruff, Wilford Woordruff's Journal, Vol. 8, p.235 There is no record of when this vision might have taken place, but given that Fanny Alger was in 1831, and the Johnson sister for which he was originally tarred and feathered (they brought a doctor to castrate him because they figured he was messin' with their sister, and the doctor backed down) was shortly after his marriage to Emma, any credible account would need to place it very early; but again, I've heard NOTHING about it being told to Emma until after she caught him in the barn with Helen Mar Kimball. |