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Mormon Church on Prop 8: We Oppose Civil Rights (But Don't Tell)
LDS Church Admits To Spending $180,000 On Prop 8
Mormon Church Admits It Spent 100 Times More For Prop 8 Than Reported
A Prop 8 Campaign Look-Alike In Hawaii?
Mormons And Proposition 8
Man Who Organized Prop 8 To Protect The "Sanctity" Of Marriage Is Divorcing His Wife Of 43 Years
National Organization For Marriage (The LDS Church) Launches Blitz Into Iowa; Now Being Investigated
A Mormon Speaks About Prop 8 In Church
Karger: Proposition 8 Film Explains Mormon Gay Marriage Involvement, Article
Mormon Backed "National Organization For Marriage" Group Seeks Restraining Order To Prevent Disclosure Of Money Sources
LDS Church Fined For Late Contribution Reporting Violation
Judge Hands Victory To Proposition 8 Opponents, Gay-Marriage Ban Overturned
The LDS Church Was Mentioned In The Prop 8 Decision
How Much Did Thomas S. Monson Give To Proposition 8?
Ten States Including Utah Sent Opposition In Regards To Proposition 8
Prop 8 Trial Update
LDS Church Hints Opposition To Marriage Equality In Minnesota

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The Mormon Church's role in Proposition 8.
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Thursday, Nov 6, 2008, at 09:56 AM
Mormon Church on Prop 8: We Oppose Civil Rights (But Don't Tell)
Original Author(s): Huffington Post
PROPOSITION 8   -Guid-
From The Huffington Post:
President-Prophet Thomas Monson, the leader of the Mormon Church, clearly does not read history. If he did, he'd know that he and his apostles could not stand behind the stone walls and parapets of the Mormon Temple in Salt Lake City, shoveling cash and lies into California without consequences. The Mormon Church's members have contributed some $22 million into Prop 8, a vicious campaign here in California seeking to strip fundamental marriage rights from same-sex couples, making them permanent second-class citizens.

The Mormon Church and its very junior partners in California owe all of us an apology. They seek to use the constitution to strip fundamental rights -- in this case of same-sex couples to marry -- away from millions of people. They lie in television ads. They blackmail. And then they invoke their religion to say that they are allowed to lie and hurt people, but not if they are caught.
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Monday, Feb 2, 2009, at 10:58 AM
LDS Church Admits To Spending $180,000 On Prop 8
Original Author(s): LA Times
PROPOSITION 8   -Guid-
From the LA Times:
Top officials with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints filed reports today indicating that they donated more than $180,000 in in-kind contributions to Proposition 8, the November ballot initiative that banned same-sex marriage in California.

The contributions included tens of thousands of dollars for expenses such as airline tickets, hotel and restaurant bills and car-rental bills for top church officials such as L. Whitney Clayton, along with $96,849.31 worth of “compensated staff time” for church employees.

The church said the expenditures took place between July 1 and the end of the year. The church’s involvement has been a major issue in the campaign and its aftermath. Individual Mormon families donated millions -- by some estimates more than $20 million -- of their own money to the campaign.

On top of that, some Prop. 8 opponents say church officials violated election law by failing to file campaign disclosure reports outlining church funds being spent on the campaign. Fred Karger, who filed a complaint with the Fair Political Practices Commission after the election alleging that church officials had not properly disclosed their involvement, said he thought today’s filing proves that his complaint has merit.

“They said they reported all their travel ... now, when there is a [complaint filed] they disclose 25 Southwest tickets just in October,” he said. “They were required to report this” in an earlier filing, he said. Church officials could not be reached for comment this evening.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow...
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Wednesday, Feb 4, 2009, at 08:39 AM
Mormon Church Admits It Spent 100 Times More For Prop 8 Than Reported
Original Author(s): 365Gay
PROPOSITION 8   -Guid-
From 365Gay:
(San Francisco, California) Six weeks into an investigation by California's Fair Political Practices Commission, the Church of Latter-Day Saints has admitted that it spent nearly $188,000 more on the campaign to approve Proposition 8 that it had initially stated.

The Mormon Church previously insisted that it spent only $2,078 to support the ban on same-sex marriage, something LGBT leaders said was implausible in light of a number of visits to California by high ranking church officials, ads allegedly produced with church funds and the large number of church staffers working on the campaign.

In a new filing with the state, the church now admits that among other expenses were $96,849 for "compensated staff time" for church employees who worked on the campaign, $20,575 for the use of facilities and equipment at its Salt Lake City headquarters, $26,000 for audio-visual production and travel expenses for church leaders to go to California.

he Church put an estimated $25 million into the battle to end gay marriage in California.

Last week in a separate case, a federal judge has denied a request by supporters of Prop 8 to keep secret the names of donors. The group behind the measure said public disclosure of their financial supporters put the donors at risk of personal harassment or boycotts to their businesses.

In denying the motion, the judge said the public had a right to know who gave money to state ballot measures.
http://www.365gay.com/news/mormon-chu...
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Wednesday, Mar 25, 2009, at 09:47 AM
A Prop 8 Campaign Look-Alike In Hawaii?
Original Author(s): Rolly
PROPOSITION 8   -Guid-
From the Salt Lake Tribune:
With all the controversy surrounding the LDS Church's involvement in the Proposition 8 election in California last fall, a more subtle dust-up was brewing at the Hawaii State Legislature last month, pretty much over the same thing.

The exchange began with an e-mail she got from Frank Lueder, also of Hawaii, that informed her of HB444, a bill before the Hawaii Legislature that "is attempting to once again legalize same-sex marriage but under a new term, 'civil union.' If you wish relay your OPPOSITION to it, you could do so by [calling or e-mailing] your representative. You could access the list of ... House of Representatives from the e-mail address I just gave."
http://www.sltrib.com/News/ci_1198646...
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Monday, May 25, 2009, at 08:26 AM
Mormons And Proposition 8
Original Author(s): PBS
PROPOSITION 8   -Guid-
From PBS.ORG, Religion And Ethics:



http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandet...
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Friday, Aug 14, 2009, at 08:20 AM
Man Who Organized Prop 8 To Protect The "Sanctity" Of Marriage Is Divorcing His Wife Of 43 Years
Original Author(s): EverAndAnon
PROPOSITION 8   -Guid-
Ironic divorce - Protector of traditional marriage Doug Manchester leaving wife of 43 years.

In July 2008, hotelier and developer Doug Manchester donated $125,000 to help gather signatures for a proposition that would ban same-sex marriage in California. The early money was crucial to getting the initiative—which ultimately passed—on the ballot. At the time, he told The New York Times that he made the donation because of “my Catholic faith and longtime affiliation with the Catholic Church,” which preferred that marriage remain between a man and a woman. Indeed, the Catholic Church has vehemently opposed gay marriage. Then again, it’s also not too keen on divorce.

On Oct. 9, 2008, Manchester ended 43 years, eight months and nine days of marriage to Elizabeth Manchester by moving out of their La Jolla abode. The couple spent the next several months trying to reach a quiet settlement on how best to distribute millions of dollars in cash and other assets. In July, those talks totally broke down, and Doug started playing financial hardball with Elizabeth, allegedly draining the couple’s shared accounts and stealing her mail. On Aug. 6, Elizabeth filed a petition for redress in family court. All of the information in this story comes from those petitions. CityBeat contacted attorneys for both parties, but neither returned calls by press time...

http://www.sdcitybeat.com/cms/story/d...
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Wednesday, Sep 2, 2009, at 08:17 AM
National Organization For Marriage (The LDS Church) Launches Blitz Into Iowa; Now Being Investigated
Original Author(s): Someone in Iowa
PROPOSITION 8   -Guid-
The National Organization for marriage has been flooding Iowa's airwaves this week with nearly $90,000 in ads in support of Stephen Burgmeier, a candidate in a special election for Iowa House District 90. NOM has not disclosed the source of its contributions.

Iowa law requires organizations accepting more thant $750 for political activities to disclose its contributors to Iowa activities.

The Iowa Ethics and Campaign Disclosure Board recently sent a warning letter to NOM indicating that its independent expenditure statements were not acceptable as it would mean that "that your organization is not raising more than $750 from outside sources for such purposes."

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dm...

A formal complaint was filed yesterday detailing NOM's elections violations. According to the complaint "Iowa voters deserve to know who is secretly funding NOM’s agenda in our state. Disclosure is the bedrock of campaign finance laws of our state."

http://www.oneiowa.org/web/newsEvents...
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Monday, Sep 14, 2009, at 07:58 AM
A Mormon Speaks About Prop 8 In Church
Original Author(s): llegalPlayer
PROPOSITION 8   -Guid-
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Thursday, Oct 22, 2009, at 08:44 AM
Karger: Proposition 8 Film Explains Mormon Gay Marriage Involvement, Article
Original Author(s): JW the Inquizzinator
PROPOSITION 8   -Guid-
http://www.ontopmag.com/article.aspx?...

By Carlos Santoscoy

Published: October 21, 2009

Director Reed Cowan's documentary on the Mormon Church's decades-old involvement in the fight to ban gay marriage in the United States is ready for its premiere screening. And Californians Against Hate Founder Fred Karger says the film will “undoubtedly change history.”

While still in production the film drew fire when Cowan released several controversial audio clips in February.

Utah State Senator Chris Buttars, a practicing Mormon, lost his chair of the powerful Judicial Committee after the Republican was heard in a Cowan interview calling the gay rights movement “probably the greatest threat to America” and gay folks “mean.”

“They're mean. They want to talk about being nice. They're the meanest buggers I have ever seen.”

“It's just like the Muslims,” he adds, moments later. “Muslims are good people and their religion is anti-war. But it's been taken over by the radical side.”

Not surprisingly, Cowan's trailer for his film, 8: The Mormon Proposition, begins with a tight close up of the senator.

In a series of interviews with Mormon Church leaders, gay activists and Utah politicians, Cowan shines a bright light on the church's profuse involvement in banning gay marriage throughout the nation since the early 1990s. A revelation no more since Karger began meddling in the church's affairs.

“It tells my story,” Karger told On Top Magazine. And it will “knock your socks off,” he added.

Cowan first interviewed Karger in San Francisco. The pair met in front of the Castro Theater on Wednesday, March 4 just as a huge gay marriage vigil was about to step off. Karger spoke to the filmmaker two more times over the course of the next year.

What is the Mormon proposition? The film is expected to showcase the major gay marriage battles the Mormon Church has backed since Utah became the first state to ban gay marriage in 1995. And how church officials attempted to conceal their deep involvement in the issue. Is the Mormon Church the mastermind puppeteer of the anti-gay marriage movement?

In a blog post, Cowan said the film had divided his family.

“My determination [to finish the film] has been tested. At this writing, I have lost communication with my sisters and my mother and my father. They are wonderful people and they are Mormons. The fear they have over what this film will say has worn thin to the point that our relationships are stressed and I fear broken forever,” he said."
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Wednesday, Oct 28, 2009, at 07:45 AM
Mormon Backed "National Organization For Marriage" Group Seeks Restraining Order To Prevent Disclosure Of Money Sources
Original Author(s): WGME
PROPOSITION 8   -Guid-
From WGME:
Some opponents of same sex marriage are locked in a legal battle to keep the sources of their war chest a secret.

The National Organization for Marriage is asking a federal judge to issue a temporary restraining order against the State Ethics Commission.

Earlier this month the Commission voted to investigate N.O.M because they did not name the sources of its money.
http://www.wgme.com/newsroom/top_stor...

NOM sued in Washington, but they have not yet succeeded.

The Supreme Court blocked the release of the signatures until they can hear the merits of the case.
"This week the U.S. Supreme Court blocked the release of names of people who signed R-71 petitions. The High Court will now consider whether to hear the merits of the case - whether people signing petitions are engaging in protected political speech."
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/411455...
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Friday, Jul 16, 2010, at 08:52 AM
LDS Church Fined For Late Contribution Reporting Violation
Original Author(s): nick h
PROPOSITION 8   -Guid-
http://www.fppc.ca.gov/press_release....
"When contributions of $1,000 or more are made during the final days of an election—the time between the last campaign report required to be filed and the end of the election—late contribution reports must be filed within 24 hours of making or receiving the “late” contribution. The following failed to file a late contribution report as required by law

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints failed to timely report making late non-monetary contributions totaling $36,928 in connection with the November 4, 2008, General Election. $5,539 fine."
I wonder what the "non-monetary contributions" were? no matter what, what is the church doing contributing to political elections?
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Thursday, Aug 5, 2010, at 07:34 AM
Judge Hands Victory To Proposition 8 Opponents, Gay-Marriage Ban Overturned
Original Author(s): News Source
PROPOSITION 8   -Guid-
U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker ruled on Wednesday that the California's Proposition 8 ballot initiative denying marriage rights to same-sex couples was unconstitutional, in a case that will almost certainly go all the way to the Supreme Court.

Walker ruled that Proposition 8 is "unconstitutional under both the due process and equal protection clauses." The court, therefore, "orders entry of judgment permanently enjoining its enforcement."

Here's the full conclusion by Judge Walker:
Proposition 8 fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage license. Indeed, the evidence shows Proposition 8 does nothing more than enshrine in the California Constitution the notion that opposite sex couples are superior to same-sex couples. Because California has no interest in discriminating against gay men and lesbians, and because Proposition 8 prevents California from fulfilling its constitutional obligation to provide marriages on an equal basis, the court concludes that Proposition 8 is unconstitutional.

Plaintiffs have demonstrated by overwhelming evidence that Proposition 8 violates their due process and equal protection rights and that they will continue to suffer these constitutional violations until state officials cease enforcement of Proposition 8. California is able to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, as it has already issued 18,000 marriage licenses to same sex couples and has not suffered any demonstrated harm as a result, see FF 64-66; moreover, California officials have chosen not to defend Proposition 8 in these proceedings. Because Proposition 8 is unconstitutional under both the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses, the court orders entry of judgment permanently enjoining its enforcement; prohibiting the official defendants from applying or enforcing Proposition 8 and directing the official defendants that all persons under their control or supervision shall not apply or enforce Proposition 8.
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/08/...
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Friday, Aug 6, 2010, at 08:07 AM
The LDS Church Was Mentioned In The Prop 8 Decision
Original Author(s): Odell Campbell
PROPOSITION 8   -Guid-
Here is a quote from the ruling, included in the court's Findings of Fact:

18. Protect Marriage is a "broad coalition" of individuals and organizations, including the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (the "LDS Church"), the California Catholic Conference and a large number of evangelical churches. a. PX2310 About ProtectMarriage.com, Protect Marriage (2008): Protect Marriage "about" page identifies a "broad-based coalition" in support of Proposition 8;

b. PX0577 Frank Schubert and Jeff Flint, Passing Prop 8, Politics (Feb 2009) at 47: "We had the support of virtually the entire faith community in California.";

c. Tr 1585:20-1590:2 (Segura: Churches, because of their hierarchical structure and ability to speak to congregations once a week, have a "very strong communication network" with churchgoers. A network of "1700 pastors" working with Protect Marriage in support of Proposition 8 is striking because of "the sheer breadth of the [religious] organization and its level of coordination with Protect Marriage.");

d. Tr 1590:23-1591:12 (Segura: An "organized effort" and "formal association" of religious groups formed the "broad-based coalition" of Protect Marriage.); e. Tr 1609:12-1610:6 (Segura: The coalition between the Catholic Church and the LDS Church against a minority group was "unprecedented.");

f. PX2597 Email from Prentice to Lynn Vincent (June 19, 2008): Prentice explains that "[f]rom the initial efforts in 1998 for the eventual success of Prop 22 in 2000, a coalition of many organizations has existed, including evangelical, Catholic and Mormon groups" and identifies Catholic and evangelical leaders working to pass Proposition 8;

g. PX0390A Video, Ron Prentice Addressing Supporters of Proposition 8, Excerpt: Prentice explains the importance of contributions from the LDS Church, Catholic bishops and evangelical ministers to the Protect Marriage campaign;

h. PX0577 Frank Schubert and Jeff Flint, Passing Prop 8, Politics at 46 (Feb 2009): "By this time, leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints had endorsed Prop 8 and joined the campaign executive committee. Even though the LDS were the last major denomination to join the campaign, their members were immensely helpful in early fundraising, providing much-needed contributions while we were busy organizing Catholic and Evangelical fundraising efforts."

(pp. 59-60)
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Tuesday, Aug 10, 2010, at 07:39 AM
How Much Did Thomas S. Monson Give To Proposition 8?
Original Author(s): What Is Wanted
PROPOSITION 8   -Guid-
According to the website showing donations to Prop 8 here is the breakdown on which of the LDS Apostles gave to support Prop 8.
Note: This database was updated 2/4/2009 with new records. These include itemized contributions donated between 10/19/2008 and 12/31/2008 as reported to the California Secretary of State.
  1. Henry B. Eyring $0
  2. Dieter F. Uchtdorf $0
  3. Boyd K. Packer $0
  4. L. Tom Perry $0
  5. Russell M. Nelson $0
  6. Dallin H. Oaks $0
  7. M. Russell Ballard $0
  8. Richard G. Scott $0
  9. Robert D. Hales $0
  10. Jeffrey R. Holland $0
  11. David A. Bednar $0
  12. Quentin L. Cook $0
  13. D. Todd Christofferson $0
  14. Neil L. Andersen $0
Each name was entered and not a single one came up with donating a penny. Spread the word to your TBM friends and family. Let them check for themselves.

Their leaders will not sacrifice themselves put demand it of their followers

http://www.sfgate.com/webdb/prop8/?ap...
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Monday, Sep 27, 2010, at 07:27 AM
Ten States Including Utah Sent Opposition In Regards To Proposition 8
Original Author(s): Angeleer8, Stray Mutt
PROPOSITION 8   -Guid-
Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Alabama, Florida, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, South Carolina, and Virgina have filed amicus brief with the 9th circuit US Court of Appeals which states that the Constitution doesn't require marriage to include same-sex couples, and that individual States, not the Federal Courts, have the final say in whether to allow same-sex marriages.

www.kpvi.com/story.php?id=28529&n=152...

California isn't part of the States mentioned in the list above, so why is it that other States, the Mormon Church, and the Roman Catholic Church thinks they can control the State of California. I wonder how the States mentioned in the list above, the Mormon Church, and the Roman Catholic Church would feel if California controlled them.

Ah, but it's not about ALLOWING same-sex marriage.

It's whether the states have the right to PROHIBIT same-sex marriage.

First you have the 9th Amendment to the US Constitution:

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

It's not up to the government to "grant" us rights, since the power, authority and right to govern originates with the people. We have many rights not specified in the Constitution. Some would argue we have ALL rights.

Then you have the 14th Amendment with its Equal Protection clause. Over and over, in various ways, the US Supreme Court has ruled states can't restrict the rights of various subgroups of citizens. One of the more directly relevant decisions was Loving v. Virginia that unanimously overturned state laws against mixed-race marriage. Quoting the decision:

"Marriage is one of the 'basic civil rights of man,' fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State."

Substitute "gender" for "race" and you have the fundamental argument.

The ten states are hoping federal courts will overturn long-established constitutional precedent.
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Wednesday, Jan 5, 2011, at 08:00 AM
Prop 8 Trial Update
Original Author(s): MJ
PROPOSITION 8   -Guid-
Yet more twists and turns...

http://ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=...

The Federal Appeals Court has asked the California Supreme Court "to advise it on whether the group behind the state's same-sex marriage ban Proposition 8 can defend the anti-gay law in the federal courts."

Whatever the outcome or what the California Supreme Court says, The Federal Appeals court retains jurisdiction as to how to proceed.

The appeals Court has said that Imperial County does not have standing to bring this issue to appeal.

This will certainly delay the whole process by a few months.
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Wednesday, Jan 18, 2012, at 08:08 AM
LDS Church Hints Opposition To Marriage Equality In Minnesota
Original Author(s): Affirmation
PROPOSITION 8   -Guid-
From Affirmation:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints read a letter to all Minnesota wards on Sunday, Jan. 15 reminding church-goers that “the family is the fundamental unit of society” and urged them to re-read the “Proclamation of the Family,” which begins, “We, the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, solemnly proclaim that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children.”

Church members were also asked to “prayerfully consider how to get involved,” according to a Minnesota Blogger.

The letter “concluded with a reminder that church buildings and directories are not to be used for political purposes – with this caveat: unless otherwise directed,” the article continued.
http://affirmation.org/news/2012_007....