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 | Mormon Church: Unconditional love is now "Anti-Christ Deception"
Article Archived: Sunday, Mar 20, 2005, at 10:29 AM
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The Mormon Church is now teaching that God and Christ's divine love is not un-conditional. In fact, the church now says divine
unconditional love is an anti-Christ deception:
"Jesus 'so loved the world that he gave his own life, that as many as
would believe might become the sons of God.' Indeed, the Father and the Son are one-in purpose and love."
"Divine Love Is Also Conditional. While divine love can be called perfect, infinite, enduring, and universal, it
cannot correctly be characterized as unconditional. The word does not appear in the scriptures. On the other hand, many
verses affirm that the higher levels of love the Father and the Son feel for each of us-and certain divine blessings stemming
from that love-are conditional."
"Understanding that divine love and blessings are not truly 'unconditional'
can defend us against common fallacies such as these: 'Since God's love is unconditional, He will love me regardless
'; or
'Since 'God is love,' He will love me unconditionally, regardless
' These arguments are used by anti-Christs to woo people
with deception."
"The full flower of divine love and our greatest blessings from that love are
conditional-predicated upon our obedience to eternal law. I pray that we may qualify for those blessings and rejoice
forever."
- Russell M. Nelson, "Divine Love," Ensign, Feb. 2003, page 20
So is the teaching of divine
unconditional love really just an "anti-Christ deception?"
"God is our father; he loves us; his love is
infinite and unconditional. His sorrow is great when we disobey his commandments and break his laws. He cannot condone our
transgressions, but he loves us and wants us to return to him. I know of no greater inducement to repentance and reconciliation
with our Father in Heaven than an awareness of his unconditional love for us personally and individually."
- Elder Ronald
E. Poelman, "God's Love for Us Transcends Our Transgressions," Ensign, May 1982, page 27
"The greatest example of
love available to all of us is, of course, found in the scripture from John: 'For God so loved the world, that he gave his only
begotten Son.' (John 3:16.) By the greatest of all acts of love and by this supreme sacrifice, God set the pattern. He
demonstrated to us that His love was unconditional and sufficient to encircle every person."
-Apostle Marvin J.
Ashton, We Serve That Which We Love, Ensign, May 1981, Page 22
"Gods mercy comes from his unlimited and
unconditional love for us. Likewise, we should show mercy to others because of our unlimited and unconditional love for them.
Our Savior, Jesus Christ, loves us - not because we deserve it, but because we are his brothers and sisters and he has
sacrificed for us. Our parents love us - not because we deserve it, but because they have sacrificed for us.
-Elder
Robert E. Wells Of the First Quorum of the Seventy, The Beatitudes: Pattern for Coming unto Christ, Ensign, Dec. 1987, Page
8
"Christs perfect love repels fear. John reminds us that there is no fear in love, for perfect love casts out
fear. The only way that we will not be suffering from the hardness of our hearts, as Christ explains, is to build within
ourselves that power of love, literally asking our Heavenly Father for this gift of love and becoming a Saint through the
atonement of Christ the Lord and becoming as a child in humility, that we can be filled with this unconditional love, and
in this love, being in the Spirit and with this Spirit, being directed in all the challenges of our lives."
-Elder F.
Enzio Busche, Love Is the Power That Will Cure the Family, Ensign, May 1982, Page 69
"Jesus invited little
children to come unto Him and each of us to become as one of them. He invited men to love one another as He has loved us, and
then He would call them His disciples. He extended His love to His Apostles on condition that they understood what
unconditional love for their fellowman was."
-Elder John Sonnenberg, The Invitation of the Master, Ensign, May
1985, Page 24
"God is our father; he loves us; his love is infinite and unconditional."
- Elder
Ronald E. Poelman, Gods Love for Us Transcends Our Transgressions, Ensign, May 1982, page 27
"I testify that He
(Jesus Christ) assisted in the creation and management not only of this planet, but other worlds. His grasp is galactic, yet he
noticed the widow casting in her mite. I am stunned at his perfect, unconditional love of all. Indeed, 'I stand all amazed
at the love Jesus offers me.'"
- Neal A. Maxwell, "Jesus of Nazareth, Savior and King," Ensign, May 1976, page 26
"At the conclusion of these twenty-eight years, I testify of our Heavenly Father's love for us. The unconditional love
the Father and the Son have for us is so real. The Savior continually invites us to "come unto him and partake of his
goodness." I bear witness that He lives, that He loves each one of His children-and that means every human being-every man, every
woman, every girl, every boy, in the name of Jesus Christ, amen."
- Victor L. Brown, "A Lifetime of Learning," Ensign,
Nov. 1989, page 76
"Remind your family that Jesus' love is unconditional. That means he loves us no matter what
we do and say. Explain to your family that if they are to truly love one another as Jesus commanded them, they need to love
each other in this same way. Have family members define what is meant by unconditional love. They may wish to give examples, such
as "I will go on loving you even if you do things I don't like," or "I will love you whether you love me or not." Discuss the
examples given, and help them to refine and clarify their definition of unconditional love."
"Have a scripture
search for examples of unconditional love. As you find scriptural examples, draw parallels for your own family so that family
members can see how divine unconditional love can be applied in their own lives. Emphasize that this doctrine is not vain and
idealistic, that we can learn to love our enemies and have compassion and charity for all if we will exercise our faith in Jesus
Christ and apply his teachings.
- Family Home Evening Resource Book, Family Home Evening Lessons, 17: Love at Home, page
74
"Just as Brother and Sister Barnes felt the Saviors unconditional love as they studied the gospel and
found hope in Christ; and just as the people of King Benjamin found hope in him, so can we find respect for ourselves and others,
rid ourselves of self-defeating habits, be nonjudgmental, be optimistic and of good cheer, be assured of his love for us, and
find hope in him.
-Relief Society General President Barbara W. Winder, Hope in Christ, Ensign, Nov. 1986, Page 90
"Charity develops in us as we see ourselves moving in our lives from a 'whats in it for me' kind of love to the love of
family and friends and, blessedly, beyond that to an awareness of our Lords unconditional love for us that tells us of
our divine kinship with one another and with him. Such love, or charity, does not spring whole and steady in most lives, but it
can come as we learn and grow and reach for ways to know Gods love. The scriptures are a great help to us in understanding this.
There we read that love precedes knowledge of God. We test our efforts by following Christs way of unconditional love and
understanding. We believe our acts of kindness and demonstrated love have meaning to the degree that they draw the Holy Spirit
into our lives."
-General Primary President Aileen H. Clyde, Charity and Learning, Ensign, Nov. 1994, Page 94
"I have listed five areas which are critical in a young woman's life: the first and most important is for you, a young
woman, to work to gain a sure knowledge of Christ's unconditional love and concern for you."
- Sister Arlene B.
Darger, "Directing Your Lives," New Era, July 1980, page 12
"Jesus' unconditional love for us motivated His
atoning sacrifice for our sins. Without His unconditional love, we would be unable to return to our Heavenly Father. How He
lived His life is the example we should follow. His way should be our way.
- Elder Robert J. Whetten, "True Followers,"
Ensign, May 1999, page 30
"The tenderness of this experience was that Robbie went from challenging the idea that
Jesus could love everyone to a sweet trust of Christ's unconditional love. Each of us can feel our Savior's unconditional love
through the righteous example of others."
- Sister Ruth B. Wright, "Be Thou an Example," Ensign, Nov. 1991, page 90
"I hope that each person who attends will be welcomed at the door and will sense a great feeling of love and
caring that the bishop has. That is symbolic of the Lord's great, unconditional love for each of us."
- Elder W.
Mack Lawrence, "Sunday Worship Service," Ensign, May 1991, page 30
"Charity develops in us as we see ourselves
moving in our lives from a "what's in it for me" kind of love to the love of family and friends and, blessedly, beyond that to
an awareness of our Lord's unconditional love for us that tells us of our divine kinship with one another and with him. Such
love, or charity, does not spring whole and steady in most lives, but it can come as we learn and grow and reach for ways to know
God's love. ...We test our efforts by following Christ's way of unconditional love and understanding."
- Sister
Aileen H. Clyde, "Charity and Learning," Ensign, Nov. 1994, 94
"Just as Brother and Sister Barnes felt the
Savior's unconditional love as they studied the gospel and found hope in Christ; and just as the people of King Benjamin
found hope in him, so can we find respect for ourselves and others, rid ourselves of self-defeating habits, be nonjudgmental, be
optimistic and of good cheer, be assured of his unconditional love for us, and find hope in him."
- Sister
Barbara W. Winder, "Hope in Christ," Ensign, Nov. 1986, page 90
Is unconditional love bad like the Mormon
Church is now teaching?
"To love completely with a wholeness even as Christ loved, to manifest a mature and
unconditional love in all human relations, would minimize many fears."
-First Presidency Message: With an Eye
Single to His Glory, Ensign, Dec. 1971
"A person's ability to love unconditionally can have powerful
effects. Seeing another person in an eternal perspective, knowing that he is of infinite worth, helps us to look beyond his
weaknesses."
- "Unconditional Love-The Key to Effective Parenthood," Family Home Evening Resource Book, Building a
Strong Family, page 238
"[Our children] have to learn somehow that they are more important than their mistakes;
that they are worthwhile, valuable, useful; that they are loved unconditionally. I knelt with my own family, at the conclusion of
a great family home evening, the night before our lovely daughter was to be married in the temple. I think she wouldn't mind my
telling you that after we had laughed and wept and remembered, she was asked to pray. I don't recall much of her prayer, the
tears and the joy and the sweetness, but I remember one thought: she thanked God for the unconditional love she had
received. This life doesn't give one very many chances to feel exultant and a little successful, but I felt wonderful that
night, and thank God that she really believes and understands what she said. We cannot, my dear brethren, condition our love
by a beard or beads or habits or strange viewpoints. There have to be standards and they must be enforced, but our love must be
unconditional."
- Marion D. Hanks, "Love Unconditional," Ensign, Dec. 1971, page 104
"I am
convinced that when we give unconditional love; when our interest is first in serving, building, edifying, strengthening
without thought of self; when we do not expect an automatic return for each act of kindness, generosity, or sincere effort to
help; when we are not concerned about what we will receive or what others will say or whether our own burdens will be diminished,
but selflessly seek to build another, the miracle of the power of the gospel is released in our lives. When we permit the
Lord to work through us to bless others, that sacred experience releases power in our own lives, and miracles occur. Well did the
Master say, "For inasmuch as ye do it unto the least of these, ye do it unto me." (D&C 42:38.)"
- Richard G. Scott, "The
Power to Make a Difference," Ensign, Nov. 1983, page 70
"All mothers go down into the valley of the shadow of
death as they labor in birth to give us life. My mother has now been dead many years. I miss her sweet, loving influence in my
life. I miss her general counsel and reproof. But mostly I miss her unconditional love."
- James E. Faust, "Them
That Honour Me I Will Honour," Ensign, May 2001, page 45
"We cannot, my dear brethren, condition our love
by a beard or beads or habits or strange viewpoints. There have to be standards and they must be enforced, but our love must
be unconditional."
-Apostle Marion D. Hanks, Love Unconditional, Ensign, Dec. 1971, Page 104
"As
disciples of Christ, we need to feel genuine charity for one another. I encourage you to build personal, meaningful relationships
with your nonmember friends and acquaintances. Interest in the gospel may come later as a natural extension of a good friendship.
If they are not interested in the gospel, we should show unconditional love through acts of service and kindness, and
never imply that we see an acquaintance only as a potential convert"
-Apostle M. Russell Ballard, October 1988 General
Conference: The Hand of Fellowship, Ensign, Nov. 1988, Page 30
"President Hinckley has reminded us repeatedly of
the many opportunities to reach out and touch someone. In speaking of those who have recently joined with us, he described a need
to reach out and touch them with love and fellowship; to those who are estranged, a touch of encouragement, unconditional
love, and a full measure of forgiveness if required; to our neighbors, associates, and friends who are not of our faith, the
blessing of being touched by the Holy Spirit because of our words and deeds."
-Presiding Bishop H. David Burton, A Season
of Opportunity, Ensign, Nov. 1998, Page 9
"The anxiety and fear that have often obstructed my efforts to serve
have gone away only as I have recognized three important principles: (1) I cannot solve another persons problems. (2) Loving
another person unconditionally is the most powerful way I can serve. (3) I must depend on Christ, the only source of
unconditional love, if I am to bless others."
-Sister Susan Hainsworth, If You Would Serve Them, Love Them, Tambuli,
Mar. 1987, Page 26
A search of officially published Mormon Church addresses over the last thirty years shows
over 840 matches in support of divine "unconditional love". So why has the church recently changed this plain and precious
doctrine?
| | | Russell Nelson Admits Joseph Smith Translated With His Head In A Hat
Article Archived: Monday, Apr 25, 2005, at 08:26 AM
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I was asked about this article deep in another thread and figured it warranted a thread all it's own, if for no other reason then to let our readers, lurkers and otherwise, know about this.
http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Magazines/Ensign/
If you take a look at this article which is "Adapted from an address given 25 June 1992 at a seminar for new mission presidents, Missionary Training Center, Provo, Utah" you'll find all sorts of "hidden" knowledge that Nelson felt comfortable sharing with the Mission Presidents:
"Many of you are experienced in the difficult task of translating written text from one language to another. I am intrigued, as you are, with the process Joseph Smith used to translate the Book of Mormon, which he said was done through "the gift and power of God." (Book of Mormon, title page.) The Prophet learned the nature of that gift the night the angel Moroni first visited him. Moroni told him that "there was a book deposited, written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of [the American] continent, and the source from whence they sprang. He also said that the fulness of the everlasting Gospel was contained in it, as delivered by the Savior to the ancient inhabitants;
"Also, that there were two stones in silver bows?and these stones, fastened to a breastplate, constituted what is called the Urim and Thummim?deposited with the plates; and the possession and use of these stones were what constituted ?seers' in ancient or former times; and that God had prepared them for the purpose of translating the book." (JS?H 1:34-35.)
The inscriptions on the plates were written in a Semitic language, using a modified Egyptian type of script. Some critics have scoffed at such a linguistic mix. May I tell you of Doctor Moses Maimonides, one of the greatest rabbis and Jewish philosophers of the Middle Ages. He died in A.D. 1204. He served as a court physician in Cairo and is one of the most famous figures in the early history of medicine. Hospitals are named after him today. In Cairo he read and pondered the words of earlier Muslim thinkers and wrote his philosophical books in Arabic using the Hebrew alphabet. This is but one of many instances from ancient and medieval periods in which the script of one language has been used to write in another language. (See Daniel C. Peterson, Abraham Divided; An LDS Perspective on the Middle East, Salt Lake City: Aspen Books, 1992, p. 205.) Indeed, history confirms that such a linguistic mix was not unusual at all.
I am intrigued that Joseph Smith?an unschooled young man in rural America?could have translated this Semitic language mix into the English language. That unlikely scenario relates to Isaiah's remarkable prophecy:
"I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder." (Isa. 29:14.)"
And then the admission:
"As Oliver Cowdery testified a few years later: "These were days never to be forgotten?to sit under the sound of a voice dictated by the inspiration of heaven, awakened the utmost gratitude of this bosom! Day after day I continued, uninterrupted, to write from his mouth, as he translated ... the history or record called ?The Book of Mormon.' " (JS?H 1:71.)
The details of this miraculous method of translation are still not fully known. Yet we do have a few precious insights. David Whitmer wrote:
"Joseph Smith would put the seer stone into a hat, and put his face in the hat, drawing it closely around his face to exclude the light; and in the darkness the spiritual light would shine. A piece of something resembling parchment would appear, and on that appeared the writing. One character at a time would appear, and under it was the interpretation in English. Brother Joseph would read off the English to Oliver Cowdery, who was his principal scribe, and when it was written down and repeated to Brother Joseph to see if it was correct, then it would disappear, and another character with the interpretation would appear. Thus the Book of Mormon was translated by the gift and power of God, and not by any power of man." (David Whitmer, An Address to All Believers in Christ, Richmond, Mo.: n.p., 1887, p. 12.)"
All I can say is that when I found out about the 'head in the hat' trick, I was seriously creeped out. I mean if this has a majorly satanic, occult ring to it. To find out that it was acknowledged and accepted by an "apostle" is even more creepy to me. When I read things like this, I always wonder how long it will take the COB to take it down off the website in their quest for information control.
|  | Russell M. Nelson Takes A Second Wife, Marries Wendy L. Watson
Article Archived: Friday, Apr 7, 2006, at 08:34 AM
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Looks like D&C Section 132 is alive and kicking. From the LDS website:
SALT LAKE CITY ? Elder Russell M. Nelson of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and Wendy L. Watson were married today in the Salt Lake Temple. This is the second marriage for Elder Nelson and the first for Wendy Watson.
Now Russell has two wives in Mormon heaven.
http://www.lds.org/newsroom/showrelea...
| | | Apostle Nelson Plagiarized His New Wifes Ideas About No Dirty Talk During Sex
Article Archived: Friday, Apr 7, 2006, at 09:30 AM
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Many posts have commented here on Nelsons April 2006 conference talk in which Nelson counseled that dirty sex during sex was wrong. Many LDS couples may have experienced some guilt as a result of the Lords apostle instructing them that such a practice is wrong. Of course, TBMs would assume that Nelson prayed and fasted about his remarks, then received revelation concerning the matter.
However, such is not the case. His remarks come almost directly from a paper advanced by his new bride, Wendy L. Watson, Ph.D. In a 2001 BYU Sponsored Families under Fire Conference, Dr. Watson delivered a speech entitled: A Synopsis of God Ordained Marital Intimacy versus Worldly Sex (http://ce.byu.edu/cw/fuf/archives/2001/WatsonWendy.pdf) in which she compared by using columns her characteristics of God Ordained Marital Intimacy and Worldly Sex. Under each column she brief compared the differences. The short three page synopsis is very telling of her distorted view of sex (a term she abandons for marital intimacy). Under the God Ordained Marital Intimacy column she lists eternal under Worldly Sex she lists erotic; exquisite care taken that activities do not to offend the Spirit versus if it turns you on, go for it; sacred language used versus foul language used This list goes on.
All this from someone who has never been married and presumably has no first hand experience with sexual relations; plagiarized by an apostle and taught as Christs doctrine. No wonder, Mormons have sexual hang ups!
|  | Wendy L. Watson, Ph.D., New Wife Of Apostle Russell Nelson, Has Some Strange Views
Article Archived: Friday, Apr 7, 2006, at 09:31 AM
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Wendy L. Watson, Ph.D., new wife of Apostle Russell Nelson, has some strange views.
In a speech entitled Search Diligently in the Light of Christ delivered to a womens conference, Dr. Watson praised the effect of guilt. She stated:
5. The troublesome belief that sounds like this: "My past, which was filled with wrongdoing, predicts and determines my future. I am not worthy to lay hold upon any good thing, let alone every good thing, because I am bad, tainted, unclean, beyond hope!" Does that sound familiar? For far too many women, it does.
This constraining belief needs to be laid on the altar of repentance. The guilt and grief you feel are a good sign, an indication of your continued goodness, in spite of your sins. Congratulate yourself on still being able to feel guilty! The light is still there! Guilt has had a lot of bad press in the past, yet for most of us, guilt, if used well, is exactly the help most of us need to stop sinning and start toward full repentance.
Let the guilt start you on the path of the sincere, heartfelt, and therefore heart-changing process of laying down your sins, even giving away your sins to know the Lord (Alma 22:18). And as you come to know him, and come unto him, you will also come to know the real you, unshackled and free from your past.
The Savior and your ecclesiastical leaders will lead you along. The Savior really did mean it when he said, "Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool" (Isaiah 1:18).
(See http://ce.byu.edu/cw/womensconference...) (Italics added for emphasis).
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http://www.removenelson.net/
Russell M. Nelson, an apostle of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon) recently signed "A Letter from America's Religious Leaders in Defense of Marriage" demanding that the Constitution of the United States of America be amended to ban legalized same-sex marriage and define marriage "as the exclusive union of one man and one woman."
Just days after signing this letter, in April 2006 the widower Russell M. Nelson was married "for time and all eternity" to Wendy Lee Watson in the Salt Lake Mormon Temple. However, since Nelson also married his now-deceased first wife, Dantzel White, "for time and all eternity" in a Mormon Temple, this now makes him an eternal polygamist, celestially "sealed" to both women forever, in accordance with Mormon doctrine and practice. Nelson's actions and beliefs in being married to two women for eternity belie the letter he signed defining marriage as being exclusively between "one man and one woman", and his name should be removed from the Religious Coalition's letter immediately.
| | | Mormons Shocked To Hear That A Man, 81, Married A 55 Year Old, Until
Article Archived: Thursday, Jun 1, 2006, at 08:22 AM
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I like to tell this true story when the topic of marriage comes up -- just to get a reaction from the TBMs. I tell about a man who is 81 who is a widower and gets re-married and sealed to a 55-year-old never-before married woman.
The reaction is usually one of surprise and, yes, disgust. Some say it is inappropriate and even "dirty-old-man" comes out occasionally. Then I drop the bombshell and say that I was speaking of Elder Russell M. Nelson of the Twelve Apostles.
Then, all of a sudden, their whole attitude changes and they all feel it is great. Some even say that if they were unmarried today, they would jump at a chance of marrying a "general authority" and especially an "apostle" even if he is 25 or 30 years older.
A more dramatic example is telling about a man in his thirties who wants to marry a 14-year-old. The reaction is usually very predictable -- "He is a child molester . . . scum."
Then I tell about Joseph Smith and MOST TBMs change their whole attitude and say that for Smith it was okay, because he was a prophet. It's rather funny to see their complete change of opinion -- a complete flip-flop.
(Yes, I know it's cruel to play these mind games with the poor TBMs.)
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"While those of us here today represent a broad spectrum of religious diversity, we are firmly united in our declaration that marriage of a man and a woman is ordained of God," Nelson said at a news conference earlier in the day...
...he avoided discussion of the Doctrine and Covenants definition of "God-ordained" marriages. Or that fact that God...wink, wink...gave Nelson the go-ahead to marry another "a woman" so he can have two "a woman"s in the afterlife...
...and once again, Apostle Almighty fails to mention that polygamy is the Mormon-leader-defined entrance requirement to Godschool.
Nelson also failed to comment on the possibility of God ignoring these ordained unions if there is dirty talking going on during sexual relations. Especially, using the Lord's name in vain when you orgasm. It's like sending Sweet Jesus or Oh God a prank hang up prayer call...
...and they can hear you giggling afterward.
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